alt.binaries.images.vintage-engineering This is of course a request for comments and suggestions only. There is at the moment no suitable usenet group for the interchange of images of restored and part restored engines and similar old iron. The only public group at the moment is uk.rec.engines.stationary which is non binary and whilst successful is in very limited distribution as it is in the uk. hirearchy. This proposed group if created would allow any vintage engineering related pictures to be posted, most people have something they treasure or covet like an old car or similar so this should be a popular self sustaining group. The picking of the alt.binaries.images hierachy is deliberate as we have other groups in the same hierachy on other subjects and find that the majority of spam seems to pass this hierachy by. Moderation is in my experience not required if sufficent resources are put to spam extermination when it appears. Thank you for your time in reading this proposal and I welcome any comments and suggestions. Keith Winterburn line7@zetnet.co.uk http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/engineer/ lumber cartel (tinlc) serial 1652 also at line7@altavista.net ( here spam spam spam ) alt.binaries.images.vintage-engineering charter I propose the group to welcome posts on a large range of interests in the engineering field whether it be Canals, Cranes, Steam engines, Tractors, Stationary engines, Turbogenerators, Compressors, Buses, Lorries, Bridges, Light bulbs, Oil cans or whatever. As to the definition of vintage I prefer 25 years or older ( so i am vintage ! ) but really its of no importance the reason for it being in the name is to set the right tone in the group and deter company based interlopers and spammers. All of us have pictures from shows and rallies, old books, plans, instruction manuals etc which are never ending source of pictures for this kind of group, pictures which if examined to be placed on a website would be discarded as not good enough. All these pictures have a audience and with the cost of scanners in freefall it is a waste not to give others a chance to see them, and you never know what memories might come back which may be of vital importance to another viewer. The proposed rules No crossposting ever, If they cannot be bothered to only speak to us they are not worth listening to. No spam with the exception that ads from commercial organisations allowed only with the prior approval by email of a regular poster, anything dubious would need more than one approval, this would remove the need for moderating which at best is a thankless task and at worst brings censorship into the group. Flames are to be discouraged as is swearing and general abusive behaviour. small-ad type posts are very welcome as is news type items and reports of shows and auctions, reviews of newly published books etc etc Links to related websites from posters are encouraged, keith Control Message From jSmith@tobacco.road Tue Oct 20 17:44:38 1998 Path: news.isc.org!news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!wn4fee d!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: jSmith@tobacco.road Newsgroups: alt.binaries.images.vintage-engineering Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.binaries.images.vintage-engineering Control: newgroup alt.binaries.images.vintage-engineering Date: 21 Oct 1998 00:44:36 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 11 Approved: engineer Message-ID: <362d2d76.583868@netnews.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.128.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 X-No-Archive: yes Xref: news.isc.org control.newgroup:99997 The creation of this newsgroup was proposed in alt.config by me, engineer, on 9 October, 1998. The purpose of this newsgroup is to exchange binaries and information pertaining to vintage (25 years or older) engines and other machines. Thank you, Keith Winterburn line7@zetnet.co.uk engineer http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/engineer/