Cape Vintage Engine & Machinery Society Newsletter
Paraffinalia No 25
May 2004
Hello All!
 
It's been a while since the last issue, but another very busy apple picking season is now behind us here in Elgin and there's a bit of time to let you all know what's going on in the engine world. Read on.... :-)
 
Technical Tips: Mike Thurgood has been researching the derusting procedure using Molasses, which is used with varying success by restorers all around the world. The fact that ours wasn't as successful as that used in Australia for instance, led him to make these observations: Colleagues in the CVE&MS have sometimes complained that their molasses won’t work. It would require some research work to determine why, but possibly different sources of the molasses contain different iron chelatBill Young's derusting tank in Japan ing agents, some of which don’t incorporate an acid grouping. Thus molasses can unjustly get a bad word for not doing what others claim it does do! The chemistry is very complex, and is not easily understood by people with little or no knowledge of the subject.
When I de-rust with molasses I add a small quantity of citric acid, say about a teaspoon per litre, just to help the acidity. Once the rust has been dissolved, the dilute citric acid will only very slowly dissolve the bare iron, quite insignificantly, in fact. What should be avoided are strong mineral acids such as hydrochloric or sulphuric, which will most definitely continue to eat away at the bare iron surface until there's no more acid left. After years of use or in storage, the rusting in water hoppers, for example, could considerably reduce wall thicknesses, and therefore strong mineral acids are definitely not recommended as an additive to a chelating agent.
It needs to be understood that a chelating agent will not necessarily work purely on its own. For example, if rust is required to be Bill Young's National sleeve after treatment removed there needs to be an acid present to dissolve it first in order to release [Fe2+] ions. When iron rust is dissolved by an acid the oxygen combines with the hydrogen ions from the acid to form water, and the iron goes into solution as ferrous [Fe2+] ions. A chelating agent per se cannot do this oxide conversion. Providing the added acid isn’t too strong, eg in the case of most organic acids, the dissolution will effectively stop once the bare iron surface has been reached. However, a cyclic hydroxamic acid chelating agent has two groupings in its molecule, one acting as an acid, the other as the chelate, so it is actually able to provide both acidic and chelating functions. Chelation literally means "clawing’, referring to the property of certain organic compounds to be able to combine chemically with specific metal ions by binding them in an organic "claw" or "molecular cavity", the term used to describe a specific arrangement of the atoms in the chelating agent which form enclosed cavities into which a metal ion will just fit. The acid part of the organic chelating hydroxamic acid dissolves the iron in the rust, the atoms of which are trapped in the chelating "cavities", and the strongly bound bivalent ferrous [Fe2+] ions which are initially formed are prevented from escaping from the chelate and becoming hydrolysed and then oxidised to form its insoluble trivalent [Fe3+] hydrated oxide, which forms the typical reddish brown iron rust precipitate. Thus the chelated [Fe2+] ions are able to remain in solution.
Because chelating cavities vary in size depending on the chelating agent, as do metal ions, and also because they may be uni, bi, tri or even quadri-valent, for these reasons chelating agents tend to be highly specific for specific metal ions. No doubt there is a chelating agent that would attract [Fe3+] ions.
 
Hendrik Massyn's unusual Lister D with a dipstick South African News: Two interesting news items in the last issue were noticed by David Edgington in the UK. Both to do with one of his favourite subjects, Lister Engines. One was Hendrik Massyn's Lister D with the dipstick, which was on the Vintage and Steam Show at Nottingham Road. Hendrik got Freek Du Plessis to take some splendid digital photos of the engine from all angles and these were sent to David and 'the other David' (Harris) for their comment. The dipstick fits in a hole drilled into a semi-circular indentation cast into the side of the crank-case, which looks for all the world as if it's made for that purpose. The verdict fron 'the Davids' was: this dip-stick is not a Lister job. Late crankcases have that crescent shape cast in already, somebody has made good use of it. David Harris says Lister would have made a better job of sealing the hole, also he says the stick doesn't fall exactly in the sump area, more in the gear Base tank on Philip's Lister A from a shearing set area which defeats the object somewhat. But I will certainly use it in my book--- (For details of the book, see below.)
 
The other item of interest was the fuel tank in the base of Kosie van der Merwe's Lister A cross-mounted shearing set. Philip Gray-Taylor has a similar engine, Serial No 250821, Spec A29K, also used in the same application. David replied: This engine has base B-345 to take fuel tank A 351 which is intended for shearing sets. The normal cast base is A-344. Although B-345 is a B type number it fits A types as well. Tank size should be 12 3/4 x 11 1/2 x 4 3/8.
As I said, get me a picture of the complete engine, and the serial details, and I will use it in Engine Torque.
ET is a regular column in Stationary Engine Magazine. David Edgington has submitted nearly 120 of these to the magazine over the years. Don't subscribe? Ag shame!
 
David also referred a request to me that he'd received from an ex-pat South African living in London, Michael Hutton-Squire, who had been asking for help on his father in law's Lister D in Riebeeck Kasteel, on the Cape West Coast. By strange coincidence, I'd been working on that day on the lorry of Michael's uncle, the engine of which I had installed some 8 years ago, with the help of Michael's brother! Small world!
Philip Gray-Taylor reports: I was able to supply parts and information to enable Michael H-S's, father-in-law to get his Lister D repaired. The D pumps underground water to a dam for irrigation and in summer often runs eight hours a day every second to third day, much to the delight of the retired farmers in the neighbourhood.
 
Emile Cronje (left) and Derick Kleynhans and the 12" self-priming pump Emile Cronjé, who runs the now famous Brakfontein Harvest Day expressed an interest in restoring a pump set found on the farm Molteno Brothers, near here. He and Derick Kleynhans arrived on a Saturday and we removed it, piece by piece from the pump room. (See Right) The engine is a Continental Red Seal 6-cylinder side-valve, similar to those which he finds in some of the Combine Harvesters he's noted for restoring, although this time he's keen on restoring the pump set as it is. The pump is self-priming, with a 12" suction and delivery, made by the Construction Machinery Company of Waterloo, Iowa. What is especially interesting is that on the identification plate, in the oil specs, it is stamped with the US Navy emblem (a U, then an anchor then an S), which leads some of us to suspect that it might have been a US Navy salvage pump, dating perhaps from the Second World War. Comments on this subject would be welcome! It is said that the founders of the farm, Harry & Ted Molteno installed this pump and its all-welded 12" delivery pipe simply to exercise their water rights on the dam it drew from. The engine is certainly hardly used!
 
Arthur Wilding's Fuller & Johnson Timour Hall Show: Held in the grounds of this historic homestead in Plumstead is a Classic Car and Bike show, and we were asked now for the second time to come and make a noise and provide some variety to the exhibits. We had a good turn-out of members, both as exhibitors and spectators. Instead of mentioning all the exhibitors and their toys, it would be better to mention what was on show for the first time. Arthur Wilding had just finished an immaculate restoration of his Fuller & Johnson open crank, (See Right) which ran with a characteristic clatter! Steven Sokolic and the Baileys had an interesting display of a Wolseley-in-restoration, various pieces already restored, painted up, and a board with the parts list drawings, so that the spectators (mostly car and bike enthusiasts anyway!) could see the lengths that are gone to in our restorations. Philip & Ryan Gray-Taylor had a Sachs-powered genset, still in fresh paint, with which they were making boiling hot cups of coffee with an immersion heater. Denis Usher brought along a Hathaway float-mounted pump-set, belonging to Calvin Hutton, which we discovered is powered by an unmarked vertical-crank JAP 2-stroke. This little engine requires only the slide for its Amal carburettor to be a runner. The slide measures 0.52" diameter, anybody got one out there? Mike Thurgood had his Heinrici Beta Hot AHennie Swanepoel's National ir engine on show for the first time. He hadn't fitted it with a water circulation pump yet so he had to run water down from various vessels under gravity. Philip had brought along a Briggs and Stratton WMB washing machine motor, which we used to drive the Philadelphia Egg Grader, the first time that the machine has been driven by an appropriately-sized engine.
 
 
Koos Naudé sent in this report:
 
On the 28th of February we had a nice meeting at Willem Prinsloo Agricultural Museum between Pretoria and Bronkhorstspruit. And Hennie Swanepoel arrived with a newly and beautifully restored National Gas Engine (See Right) mounted on a nice looking sleeper-built trailer with big wheels. The engine is exactly the same as the engine in your article in SEM 331 on page 18. Complete with its cast iron fuel tank fixed to the hopper. Indeed a beautiful engine and you must hear his voice! I did not take down the serial number.
 
 
 
 
 
 
A good turn-out at Gerald Buitendag's Engine Day
 
John Menasce kindly sent in this report:

Some 30 odd engines were on display on the immaculate lawn of Gerald and Jenny Buitendach's house in Johannesburg on 3rd April. Hessian sacks and some loose concrete tiles  protected the lawn from most of the ravages of old engines leaking hot water, oil and fuel and thumping large holes in the lawn!!!. (See Right) Gerald and Jenny as always, spoilt us with lots of snacks, tea, cool drinks and plenty of delicious cake. Lunch was a bring and braai with Jenny providing the salads. The Cape Vintage Engine and Machinery Society was well represented, among others were Clem and Gill Davidson, Louis Boshoff, and John and David Menasce with two exhibits. The weather was PERFECT. Calm and sunny and not too hot. Some brave youngsters even David Menasce and his Wolseley cooled off in the swimming pool, and we were treated to a radio controlled model helicopter display too..
An oil engine [the star of the show] was German in origin [can't remember its name but it is NOT in my Deutsche Stationär Motoren book] and dates from before 1910. Starting was spectacular as well as the running as dynamic balance was seriously lacking!!!  Gerald had his
Crossley  engine/compressor, a troublesome Petter, and another Petter, beautifully restored, which ran all day. Cape Vintage represented by David Menasce and his WD8 (See Right) and some other beautifully restored rarer Wolseleys, Vetsak air cooled and WD2 built in 1942.
The Blue engine behind David is a Witte made in USA. The black engine on the wooden base behind the Vetsak is a 1909 Aermotor. Another Cape Vintage entry -- my old faithful Type D just ran all day. Gerald's Type D and National Pump ran all day too. Thanks must go to Gerald and Jenny for hosting this show at their home!

 
 
Robson running for the first time in 40 years makes Arthur Wilding look small behind the flywheel! Voting Day is a public holiday in South Africa. For some of us, that's all over in five minutes, so we had the rest of the day to have fun! We decided to honour a promise made several years ago to try and start up a large Robson open crank horizintal lamp-start engine in Wolseley (See Stationary Engine Magazine Issue 300, March 1999). We advised as many people as we could think of, and eventually 22 of us gathered at the farm and set about cleaning and preparing the engine, including making up a fuel pipe on site, freeing off a stuck fuel pump and pumping up the air pressure vessel with an International LB which Philip Gray-Taylor brought along. After several tries with compressed air, we were unable to get enough cranking speed, so eventually five strong people positioned themselves at the rim of the approximately 8' flywheel and turned it by hand, backwards and forwards, bouncing against compression every time until at last they got it over compression and slowly it came to life and gradually built Johan Stofberg and the Petter up speed! It was a great feeling watching it running again after standing for 40 years! We then used the engine itself to drive the compressor and soon we were able to start up with a loss of only 10 PSI on the gauge. A full report of the day's events is to appear in Stationary Engine Magazine in the near future.
 
 
 
On the way home from Wolseley, we stopped at the home of Johan & Nicholas Stofberg. Kosie van der Merwe who was with us, has been pestering them to bring in a Petter M with a half-cooled head, (See Right) which was standing out in the weather. Maybe it was because we were so enthusiastic about our success earlier in the day, but Johan readily agreed to Kosie collecting the engine. Kosie reports it has a perforated pump diaphragm and needs adjustment to its big-end clearance, but that it should soon be a runner again!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Joe Maurers with the oldest Stover running in the USA USA News: Curt Andree wrote in to tell us that they have a Winter Warm-up like ours, but where ours is normally held in the pouring rain, theirs had other problems:
Thought I would send you a couple of pics taken at my friend Joe Maurers farm yesterday.
He decided to throw a coldweather gasup show party with lots of hot chile and cold beer,etc.   Some thirty of us showed up (everybody stayed inside the shop except me and Joe)   The only engine I could bring along was my Handy Andy because the overhead doors are froze shut.  Joe is standing next to his favorite Stover upright 3hp (See right) from 1902 (its the oldest Stover in US that's runing).   We've had 12" of snow this week and the temp was -4 below zero with wind chill of -25 below zero yesterday.  Needless to say we did not have to worry about filling our water hoppers.   Every body had a great time and it was good to see all of my engine friends this early in the season.
 
UK News: In the 30-year anniversary edition of Stationary Engine Magazine, Eric Brain submitted a Profile of the maClemens Reynolds from Thesslersdal with the Cape Vintage Geranium n who started it all, David Edgington. It seems he isn't only into engines and Alfas, but Geraniums and Pelargoniums as well! Reading our copies, Philip Gray-Taylor and I had the same thought: Some years ago, on an engine hunt in Thesslersdal, just outside Caledon, Western Cape, Philip collected not only an engine or two, but also a slip of what the elderly Clemens Reynolds (See Right) who lives there calls Laventel Malva (Lavender Geranium). The farm is called De Meul, and was established in 1842. The mill building which housed an undershot waterwheel and mill is still there . Philip's wife Beverley has been propagating this plant which has the most exquisitely scented leaves, and gave us two plants. Philip & I both hit on the idea that David should have some 'Cape Vintage Geranium' ! As luck would have it, two cousins of mine who live near David visited here, and took a small slip home. David was waiting with his green fingers (and rooting powder!) and had it planted before their plane had cooled down! The latest report from England: Well after days of being in intensive care, the geranium is growing. We had some worries initially after the leaves yellowed but all is well now.
 
JD 60 Hi-crop, Emerson Brantingham Big 4-20 and General Ordnance tractors from South Africa at Cootamundra Australian News: Our roving reporter Ronnie Crowther attended the 'Plough and be Counted' at Cootamundra over the Easter weekend, and says he had a wonderful time! Apart from meeting up with the Hogsville Ystermanne, there representing South Africa with three rare tractors which were shipped across for the occasion, (See right) he met up again after a long time with another of our members, Brian Arton who now lives in Griffith NSW nearby. They both farmed near Stellenbosch many years ago. Wilf Mole kindly organised Ronnie a VIP ticket which allowed him to roam more freely with his video camera. We're looking forward to the results! The official results came through like this: On Easter Sunday, 11th April 2004, 1897 tractors ploughed their way into the history books by breaking the World Record for the maximum number of tractors ploughing in Rick Wigglesworth and his National engine one field at one time. 
On the way back to Sydney, Ronnie, his son Charlie and son-in-law called in at Rick Wigglesworth at Sofala NSW, who has one of the other Clayton & Shuttleworth Trusty engines, amongst his collection of mostly very old electrical generation equipment. After a conducted tour of his collection including starting up the large National, (See Right) Rick put them up for the night! 
 
New members: (Don't panic! We're a no subs, no rules Society! ) Hendrik Massyn and Freek DuPlessis are mentioned above. Charl  Venter was put on to us by Marius Meiring, and he is the convener of The Midland Car Club in Graaff - Reinet . Hein Stroh and Manie Cronje work as a team and co-own engines, and work at Clover along with Louwtjie Naudé. Peter Broccardo stumbled on our website and wrote in for information on his Powell engine. Not many of them around, but Patrick Gwynfor Williams, Helpline Powell specialist Knight has sent an Owners' Manual and Gywnfor Williams (See Right) the Stationary Engine Magazine Helpline specialist has written in with help including how to date the engine. He also sent images of the decals Peter will need, and I suggested Peter contact Martie van der Westhuisen in Pretoria, who specialises in small runs of interesting stickers and decals like this. Gwynfor read this and has asked Martie to make some for him as well!  Ron Wiley in South Australia put us on to Derek Jones, who, he says: started work as a student apprentice and became the head of R & D at Dorman. Derek is also a member of the Institute of Diesel and Gas Turbine Engineers, so I feel he is a very useful contact if you require any information about diesel engines or Dorman petrol engines. He has been helping me with information about a Dorman engine used by Aveling Barford in their Calf Dozer. A friend is restoring one of these interesting little machines. At the Timour Hall show, we met Bill & Edith Hoskin again, last met at Sandstone Estates Heritage Show last year. At that time they were still living in Sasolburg, but now they're living down here in Durbanville. They were at Sandstone with Bill's replica Stanley Steamer, built himself over many years. Also at the Timour Hall show we met Richard Gates, Peter Roelofse, and Tony Sandell. Tony has an amazing collection of the smaller motorcycles, often overlooked by others. Dickon Daggitt was also there, with a Bugatti, but he has a Thornycroft marine engine in need of TLC, and is always looking for Coventry Climax engines from fire pumps which he uses in racing cars! He adds: A few weeks ago when in Jo'burg for the historic Motor Races, I came across a Bugatti 6 cylinder diesel engine. This was never used in a car. Would one of your members know any more about it? Ben Smit & his neighbour in Boksburg wrote in saying they've got a selection of Listers, Petters, Deutz and Villiers engines. Johan & Nicholas Stofberg are mentioned above. Neville Kehl introduced himself to founder member Darryl Bailey at the recent Annual Show of the Cape Town Society of Model & Experimental Engineeers.
Brian Elam at the wheel of Doug Green's RT bus
 
It is with regret that I have to announce the passing of two members, Peter Gildenhuys from Eendekuil on the Cape West Coast area died after a short illness. He came to the Cape from Gauteng where he was an employee of ESCOM. He was always helping various museums up there when there was a big job on, sometimes using lots of his leave in the process. He took early retirement and moved to a small farm and helped neighbours with their mechanical problems. He will be remembered for the quality and detail of his restorations. Brian Elam (See Right) died of a heart-attack in Natal recently. Not specifically an engine man, but interested in all things mechanical. He was the Dating Officer for the motorcycle fraternity and our paths crossed through a mutual interest in Albion Lorries, which he used to drive.
 
What's on: Auto Jumble at Timour Hall in Plumstead on 30th May 04.Organised by the Crankhandle Club, from 8.30 to 2.30. Contact David Catlin 021 685 2259
 
Winter Warm-up. Host of this show, Arthur Wilding will be away in UK and the Continent for all of June, in order to attend the Nuenen and the 1000 engine Rally at Astle Park, so we'll have the show in early July.
 
Emile Cronje reports that he has planted a field of Korog in anticipation of this year's Brakfontein Harvest Day , between Heidelberg (Cape) and Riversdale. The exact date can only be determined closer to the time, but keep the Saturdays open at the end of November and the beginning of December!
 
Marstal Marine engine Wanted: Info on Diabolo separators is requested by John Menasce. Please  contact John on menascej@iafrica.com
 
Tony Beckett from Cape Town is looking for information on a marine engine he has found, called a Marstal (See Right). The engine plate states: Motorfabriken Marstal, Aage Hansen, Ne 4300, Type F, Aer 54, HK 5. I sent the request on to Nils-Eric Sjöstrand, who wrote back:
I will ask our members in Denmark and in Norway, because of the name it will comes from any of this countries. I have not heard this name before so it can be an very unusual engine
 
 
Sandstone Estates is busy building a dedicated Stationary Engine Museum, and is looking for something BIG as a centre piece: Arising from the visit by Chris Wilson, Neels Booyens, Charles Viljoen and Wilf Mole to Australia, they came away impressed with the quality of stationary engine restorations.  What impressed them the most was a museum in the southern part of Western Australia where massive stationary engines had been installed in custom made buildings. This has motivated us to go out and seek a really big engine, preferably a double cylinder, centre flywheel unit. Many people collect these big engines and then find that it is a bridge too far to restore them.  They have the logistics to do that and would like to make it something of a team effort or even a national effort on behalf of the stationary engine fraternity.  What we are looking for is an engine and some expertise to go with it but we will provide all the logistics and erect a special building etc. If you know of anything, please contact Juanita du Toit
at Sandstone Heritage Trust, P.O.Box 1750, Halfway House 1685 Tel: 011 315 2995/6 Fax:  011 315 2997.  juanitadt@sandstone.co.za

 
For Sale/Available: Braam Du Toit in Paarl has a Massey Harris Binder that's up for offers, the machine is in Caledon at the moment. Ring him on (021) 8727895

David Edgington's brand-new book on the Lister D is now out. This is what Eric Brain has to say about it: David's new Lister D book fell through my letter box yesterday. £11-50 UK mail including UK carriage. (Add £4 for overseas.) Excellent quality, good Philip
Thornton-Evison
photos among others. A must for every engineman's bedside reading etc etc .
In David's own words: I've been working on a new book called  THE LISTER D STORY. So far 23,000 words and 80 illustrations. Write to him at Lodge Wood Farm, Hawkeridge, Westbury, Wiltshire BA13 4LA. He takes Visa and Master Card.
 
 
Andy Selfe (021) 859 2430 Weathertop Farm, PO Box 41, ELGIN 7180, South Africa aselfe@mweb.co.za