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Richard Allen          (US)

Frank DeWitt            (US)

Art Lora                   (US)

Tommy Stojanov        (US)

Larry Anger               (CAN)

Colt Edin                   (US)

Peter Lowe              (AUS) Harry Terpstra           (HOL)
Chuck Balyeat        (US)

Larry Evans              (US)

Nick Lozzi                 (US)

Luke Tonneburger      (US)

Kevin L Bandy        (US)

Arnie Fero                 (US)

David McDonald       (US) Mike Tucker                (US)
Steve Barr               (US) Herbie Fox                (US) Paul Maples               (US) Tommy Turner             (US)
Tom Bellar              (US)

Ron Frost                 (US)

Kerry Morris            (AUS)

George Vaughan          (US)

Jay Bernard               (US) Peter A Forbes         (UK)


Jack Watson                (AUS)
George Best           (US)

The French Family  (UK)

George Myers             (US)

Brian Watts                  (AUS)

Joe Betz                 (US)

Garrett Fulton           (US)

Andrew J Nicholson (US)  

Brad Soward            (AUS)

Bob Bolhuis          (CAN)

Dick Gibbens            (US) Paul Pavlinovich   (AUS) Barry Stait                (AUS)
Alan Bowen         (US) Keith Giffin                (US )

Mark Pavy           (AUS)        

Rick Strobel             (US)
Bill Boyce               (US)

Russell Gilbert        (AUS)

William Pfeiffer J r    (US) Paul Waugh                 (US)
Bryan Boyce           (US) Steve Gray              (US)

Bill Pfeiffer Sr         (US)

Bob Willman                (US)  
Ted Brookover       (US)

Cam Grundy           (AUS)

Joe Prindle       (US) Glenn Wilson                (US)

Brian Campbell      (US)

John Hammink       (HOL) Joe Prinzinger        (US) Peter Woodmore         (AUS)
Ron Carroll            (US) Graham Harris       (AUS) Peter Ogborne       (AUS) Bruce Younger            (US)

Michael Christie      (AUS)

Curt Holland           (US)

Kelly Reynold s       (US)

Ken Christison         (US)

Reg Ingold              (AUS)

Dave Rotigel           (US)
Tim Christoff           (US)

Orrin B. Iseminger   (US)

Denis Rouleau          CAN)
Leroy Clark            (US)

  Jeff Jarman            (US)

Mike Royster            (US)

Roland Craven       (UK)

Glen Karch              (US) Steve Royster            (US)
Dave Croft              (UK) Joe Kelley                (US) Larry Sain                 (US)
John Culp               (US) Keith Kinney            (US) Tom Schmutz             (US)
John Cullom           (US)

Jim Kirkes              (US)

Randall Semeiks       (US)
Mick DeMaria        (US) Skip Landis              (US) Brock Summerfield (AUS)
Duncan Denman     (CAN) Stacy Leis                 (US) Arthur Southwell       (US)





















Paul Pavlinovich  (Picture)

I'm 36 (since yesterday :) - I've been interested in steam and infernal
combustion since I was about 6 when my dad took me to the (then)
Scoresby steam show run by a enthusiast group in Melbourne, Victoria,
Australia. I got my first model steam engine at about 12 or so. I've
worked on the Puffing Billy Railway in Belgrave (Melbourne) - a 2'6"
narrow guage operating steam railway

Over the years I've collected quite a few internal combustion engines
and tractors for restoration. I've also collected and built a selection
of small steam engines. Although I'd like to get into full size steam, I
don't have the money to do the job a big machine deserves so I've kept
out of it.

My current career is designing and installing computer systems specific
to public transportation both on and off vehicles. At present since I'm
away from my home in Australia (until about 2003) and working in the USA
my involvement with our hobby has been purely via shows and forums like
this one.

I have a reasonably extensive site (Steam and
Engine of Australia). I also host the mailing list COALS (Conversations
of Australian Live Steamers) which is not restricted to Australians! My
original intention in building my site was education (mainly of me).
When S&EofA was first created in 1995 it was the only site in Australia,
and one of the only non-computer sites in the world. I'm quite proud
that it still survives and grows every month and still (I think)
fulfills its goals.

Everything I know about steam and IC engines I've learnt from a
combination of old timers, books, and doing it the hard way. I'm always
open to listen to people (although I may not seem that way sometimes [:)] .


Paul Pavlinovich
 An ozzie away from home in Oakland California USA until August 2002





Arthur Southwell


My name of course is Arthur Southwell,
Some would tell you that I can into this world with a screwdriver in one
hand and a pair of pliers in the other. My daddy was a mechanic, and
back in those days in rural areas of this country, you followed in your
fathers foot steps career wise. Anyway, I had the good fortune of being
able to follow my daddy around during my formative years, and all I have
ever wanted to do since, is "work on" engines and mechanical things.
This started at the tender age of two when I used the little "tool" kit
that SINGER supplied with their sewing machines, to disassemble mothers
old treadle sewing machine. This country was deep into WWII and no spare
parts were to be had. The "Singer man" couldn't put the machine back
into working order. Needless to say, my sit down place got torn up next.
But, I'm making progress, today I can usually "fix" what I disassemble.

I collect a lot of different types of old things. Tractors, engines,
implements, machinery, and such.
Some of the pieces I have are: B&S models  A, B, WI, N, 5S, 6S, 9, 14,
23 AFB. Delco light 32V (2) 850s, and a  Delco 12V.  IHC models LBB 3-5
HP, UD6, UD14, U2A coupled to an antique FBM 4X4 pump. Hercules 1 3/4S.
Bluffton ??? air-cooled, no name plate. Associated 4 Mule team.

Tractors: 1950 AC mod. B. 1953 JD 40S.  1963 Case 734 Diesel.  1930 Ford
Mod. A tractor conversion, work in progress.

I have lots of other engines and things but it would take to long to
name them. BTW, for Dave's benefit, I have several MAYTAGS!

Come Jan. 2002, I'll be sixty and looking forward to sixty two. You
young guys keep working and paying into S.S. so I can retire in 2004.

I have been owning and showing Flywheel engines since 1968. I have been
( ) since about 1984. We have a
nice show grounds East of Ft. Meade FL.

As you can see in my signature line, I'm a "Rebuilder". I rebuild
Starters, Alternators, Generators and other electrical items as well as
custom work on clutches, brake shoes, carburetors, water pumps.

Thanks for letting me be a member of this fine list.





  Ron Carroll  (Picture)


Hi All,
I am Maytagtwin, sometimes referenced lovingly by the Evil Dave as "Twin."

My present location is Nokesville, Virginia and I am in process of moving to
Clearmont, Missouri.  Nokesville is a little too close to "ground zero"
although that hadn't been announced at the time I decided to head west.  We
just came in from Missouri this weekend and, when I went to pick up my mail
on Monday, I found our local post office folks to be VERY NERVOUS. 

My collection consists of Maytags, a variety of small diesels, a few hit and
miss gas engines and a throttle governed or two.  Most recently two of the
Cushman upright engines, tank/cone cooled entered my collection.  One is the
heavy dual flywheel generator type although no generator came with it.  A
McCormick Deering "M" 1 1/2 HP joined the collection the same day.

My Poverty Ridge Engine Shed is more of a state of mind than a place, but it
is gradually taking shape in Missouri. 

It is my self-appointed task on this list to, on special occasions, refute
the Evil Dave's condemnation of all things Maytag.  Most recently he has
spoken of acquiring a poor, helpless Maytag Engine to work his evil upon as a
part of the ATIS Charity Auction.  That is just like Evil Dave, mixing his
nasty habits into a fine activity such as the Charity Auction.*  I hope that
all you will confront Evil Dave with your protestations before he can harm
the poor little Maytag.

Some of the engine names in my collection are:  Briggs, Reo, Clinton, Pincor,
Atlas, Lister and Petter (+ clones of same). O & R, Acme, Yanmar, Wisconsin,
Kohler, Sattley, Fairbanks Morse, NOVO, plus some VW, Renault, Leyland,
Kubota and other diesels.

Ron Carroll
Security by Duke, Titanium Tipped Tooth Terror....keeping NOVO Boy in line.
PS:  Activity of the day is putting an antique Gravely tractor back into
service for brush cutting.  Sulky tires are repaired, now for the oil and
filter change.
*The truth is, Evil Dave isn't so evil at all.  His coordination,
organization and support of the SEL and its activities, including the Charity
Auction, go far to make this organization what it is.  Abrasive as he can be,
scratch the surface and you'll find another, kinder and gentler Dave under
the rough and coarse hide of that old rascal.  Of course, he'll spit at you
while you are scratching.


Peter A Forbes


We live in Rushden, Northamptonshire in the UK,  about 20 miles or so south of
where Jim & 'Dolly' live and just off the same A6 road, We have an assortment of
30 or so engines, which are mainly diesels, but we have a some petrol (gas)
engines as well :-)) The main engine is the Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR 11hp
open-crank diesel, which is gradually coming together as our major show exhibit.

We have five ponies and three cats, two sons who occasionally show their
faces:-)) although they are 26yrs and 29yrs now so pretty much independent.

We have shares in our own (small) company which manufactures industrial battery
charging systems, and a couple of small factories with about 10 people
Our web pages, kindly hosted by, show a lot of the interests that
we pursue, but the business and other interests take a lot of our time, so
engines are still a hobby rather than a 'full time' interest, we haven't yet
achieved the 'seven-day weekend' yet !!

We both attend engine shows (and other events in which we share an interest) in
the UK, and also go abroad to Spain and Portugal on engine hunting trips which
usually result in a few Lister diesels following us home.

We have occasional visits by wandering guys and gals from Oz, and would always
be happy to see  more of the List over here for vacations etc.







Richard Allen

I'm Richard Allen, age 51, and husband to my wife, Judy. We own a little 23 acre farm far out in the boondocks away from noise and light polution, near Moorpark, Ventura County, California. The county is a rural agricultural area with several very large wilderness preserves including the California Condor Refuge. We are located 70 miles north of Los Angeles about fifteen miles inland from the coast (near Malibu).
   My interests are not limited to stationary engines. They are included in my over-all interest in internal combustion engines in general (gas turbines and the Wankel, too), and compression ignition engines in particular. I am also interested in tractors and agricultural machines, earth-moving equipment, antique military firearms, Amateur Radio (Ham Radio), and antique food processing machines.
   I have been interested in engines, tractors, and earth-moving equipment from about the age of two. These were all part of the environment I grew up in; my family lived in a large grain and citrus farming district, I watched several massive post-WW2 Interstate Highway engineering projects underway locally, there were many oil fields being developed close by, and our neighbor then was a kindly retired farmer who used to let me ride with him on his Caterpillar when he did weed abatement around the neighborhood. All things for a child to become imprinted on!





Glenn Wilson (Picture)

Does anyone care to hear about me?
I feel like everyone knows me because I write so much to the group.
I'm 43 and live in Union Center, NY but the mailing address is
Endicott, NY which is really 4 miles south. Both of these are 10
miles away from Binghamton which is on most maps.

I've been an electrical design engineer for 20 years with 2 years
in the middle as a quality eng - oh well. I started out with an
AAS in Mechanical Technology, then picked up a BS in Computer
Science, then an MS in Electrical Engineering.

I am single - probably forever although there is no fagot in me!
I still live with my parents on 100 acres where we raise and sell
Christmas Trees on 8 or 10 acres of it. Most is woods. We have been
doing trees since I was born. It is second nature and brings in a
little extra money.

For the last 7 years, I've had another side job fixing computer
monitors. With a friend, we have gone through just over 3,500 of
them and I am tired of them although I'll probably continue fixing.

I had a Ford LN9000 dump truck with a 671 detroit and a 12 ton
trailer and a Case 580C backhoe - all for fun and flexibility. The
backhoe is still in good shape and is used a lot around here. The
671 ate a piston and has been dead for 6 years :-(. since the 12 ton
trailer weighs 5,000 pounds empty, we haven't used it and the bed
rotted off it :-(.

My dad has a 5HP Hercules and an Oliver OC3 crawler and a 1947
Cat D4. I broke the head on the 5HP when I was younger by letting
it freeze and have felt really bad about that ever since. If I could
buy another head, I would. It doesn't leak at all but I know it is
bad. The OC3 still runs. Dad lent the D4 out and the accountant
that borrowed it broke EVERY GEAR in the transmission! Damn. We
have pretty much got it all put back together again. OH yea, he also
has a John Deere 50 that we use as our normal tractor.

I have 3 oil field engines - a 22.5 HP Bessemer hot tube that still
sits on its flywheels, a 40HP Bovaird and Seyfang 1948 still sits
on its wheels both of which should run if I get off my butt and
make them turn. The 3d oil field engine is a half breed that says
Shefield on it. A lot of you people have seen it at Portland. As
soon as it came home, it got new paint with red letters and pulley
and flywheel outter ring :-). It also starts and runs well :-)
I LOVE it......

Some of the other engines are a 5HP (I think) Friend that runs well,
a 9HP Economy that a lot of you have seen, a FM 208 that I haven't
yet tried to start and a few more flywheel engines - oh yea, and a
vertical 4HP Novo that is about ready to start :-). 

I am now a FATG although my gut is much fatter than my A :-)
I own 2 Fordson tractors, one on rubber that is just for parts and
one steel wheeled one that won't turn over. I did manage to get
the spark plugs out of it and put some Kronola oil (the orange can
stuff) in the cylinders.

Other things that may be of interest are a 1926 Cement mixer with a
6HP Jaeger engine that runs perfect, a New Holland rock crusher
mounted on a studabaker frame, a Large Myers deep well pump connected
up to the Friend (its pump has been long gone), a really nice
mud sucker pump that I picked up in Portland this summer, a 20KW
120/240 single phase generator, a 60KW 3 phase generator run by
another detroit 671, a 1972 bright red Mercedes like Heart to Heart
used to drive, and a 1926 model T.  Oh yea, about a dozen gravelys,
3 of which are fully tweeked and used to mow the trees.

When I had time, I watched birds and put up dozens of nesting boxes.
I used to ride a Yamaha motorcycle and have driven it 40,000 miles
but have gotten older and wiser and now am too scared of hitting a
deer. I've nailed 2 with my cars so far.

In my first life, I played as a locksmith and still have all the
3 milllion codes, 30,000 key blanks, 6 key machines, and car opening
tools. If anyone needs a key by code, just ask :-)

I am also a notary public but have never charged a dime.

My policy is to be open and honest. Sometimes that gets me in trouble
but I still think it is the best policy.

As far as the 10HP R&V s/n - as soon as I see a list of them, I'll
fork over the info and the owner's name.

I do dispise laws. I HATE cops. In the last year, I've been given
tickets for tinted windows and a loud muffler. EVERY STINKING
Harley on the road is louder than my muffler. I HATE cops because they
seem to only harrass us. In NY we have a law that says you are not
supposed to block an intersection. I don't think they have ever given
out a ticket for this offense. Shoot - this would help traffic flow.

I enjoy welding - I have a Lincoln 225A lincoln buz box, a little
Lincoln mig welder and an acetalyne.

I LOVE music if you can hear the words. Rap, Rock, and Blues turn me
off. I like Oldies, classical, country, pop, some of what is called
rock, jazz and enya too :-)

I guess that about sums me up.






Bob Willman

    Bob Willman living just Northwest of downtown Bowling Green, Ohio on
1 1/2 acres surrounded by farm fields but almost within a stone's throw of
the corporation line. It wasn't that way 30 years ago when we bought this
place, but that is progress.
    I have one engine a 25hp Superior type C ( 2 cycle ). It powers my
blacksmith shop ( or will again when I figure out why it doesn't run ) using
flat belts and line shafting. Hobby smithing came first and I kind-a backed
into the engine hobby.
    Other hobbies are ham radio, hunting, firearms/reloading, photography
and probably some others which I cannot bring to mind just now - age may
have something to do with that.
I just turned 61 last month and except for school have lived all those
within 20 miles of my birthplace in Luckey, Ohio. I retired from IBM in 1993
along with about 40,000 other IBM'ers as part of this nations downsizing
exercise. I was much too young to quit working (52) so sought other gainful
employment to sustain the substantial list of hobbies.
    I finally found work with a local sound/communications contractor that
recruting my son. Fortunately for me he was too busy to work for them, but
told them that his dad needed a job. I owe him for that one!
    The wife and I have been married for almost 39 years and I wouldn't
it for anything. A few years back I couldn't get off work as soon as I
and she went to Portland a day before I did - but I don't think it was for
engines. We have lived on the present place since 1971 and plan to retire
in a few years. There aren't enough moving trucks to sucessfully get all the
things of the property. The blacksmith shop alone would be a bear.
     Probably could say more, but ---!

Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil






Dave Rotigel  (Picture being Good)     (Picture being Evil)

Hi All,
         I was not going to get in on this thread, but since my good friend
Twin has made some comments about me, I feel obliged to do so since some of
the newer List members may not know me very well.
         I'm 63 years old, going on 64. (Now that wasn't so hard to figure
out was it?) Until two years ago I was gainfully employed as a professor at
Indiana University of PA. Since my retirement I have been unemployed. I've
now tried working and I've tried retirement. Believe me RETIREMENT sure as
hell beats working!
         I got into old iron about 12 years ago and love it! I have a
number of engines. They can be seen at:
         My main LOVE, however, is MAYTAG MOTORS. No other old iron
provides so much opportunity to be creative. There is so much that one can
do to them that pleases a crowd at an engine show! (See: Currently
I'm FIXING a MAYTAG MOTOR for the ATIS X-mas Charity Auction. Alec Stevens
provided this MOTOR and I'm currently in the process of FIXING it. Alec and
I have not decided, as yet, what to name it--"Hello Afghanistan" and "Hi
Osama" are two names that have been tossed around--but the jury is still out.
         But back to me. I live in Western PA on about 10 acres. Until last
week I owned two horses, but had to put both of then down. Lucky I know
some guys who own back hoes!
         I'm married to Jennie, my second wife (too bad I didn't know those
guys with the back hoes when I was going through the divorce!) Jennie and I
have been together for 25 years. We have two sons--Dan and Mike. I have
three children from my first marriage. That's a total of five! After I
found out what caused the children, I stopped having any more!
         Basically I'm just a mild mannered guy who wants to get along with
everyone. I just don't know why we just can't all get along! Everyone's
ideas are equal, aren't they? Why would anyone criticize someone else's
ideas just because they are STUPID? STUPID people have rights also, don't they?
PS, I also am into photography a little bit. You can see some of my work on
the cover of the December issue of GEM







George Vaughan   (Picture)




I would guess that its my turn to say a few words.  Born October 6, 1941 in
Portsmouth, Virginia.  US Army (Transportation and Counterintelligence
units) October 10, 1958 through October 31, 1978, retired as SFC E7.  Worked
for USPS as a Letter Carrier from 1983 until I totally retired in March

We (my 2nd wife and I) live on 133 acres in beautiful Northwest Central
Missouri.  Although my address shows Cole Camp, MO, we actually live 3 miles
south of Ionia, MO.  Cole Camp is 9 miles to our east.  The farm is leased
out to a neighbor who has set aside 50 acres for hay and the rest, except
for the 3 acres that we actually mow, for grazing his cattle.

I became interested in the old iron through a friend and family member on
the wife's side of the family.  I have presently only one engine which I
still am in the processing of restoring.  It is a 1 3/4 HP Economy engine
built in 1925.  It was given to me and was totally covered in rust.

I belong to a real great Engine club in North Kansas City (Mo-Kan Antique
Power Association, Inc.), where you will find the likes of Tim Christoff and
Mike Maloy and of course Ray France, without whom, our club would have no
place to hold it's meetings.  I don't get to travel too much as a result of
living on a very limited budget, but I try and attend as many shows as I can
around here.
If you are in the area, look me up.






Luke Tonneberger


I'm Luke Tonneberger, 29 years old, and live north of Grand Rapids, Michigan in between Sparta and Rockford. I'm married to Shirley for 5 years now. We've been together for 10 though. She's my first and I'm her second marriage. She has two girls from her first marriage and both of them are on their own. We have no kids together as she can't have any anymore. Our house is in the country but not on dirt roads. It sits on 10 acres and 5 of that's wooded. There is a 24' x 24' pole barn I keep the good stuff in. Last year my Dad and I opened up one wall and added a 13' x 24' lean-to so now the barn is about 37' x 24'. You can see the addition here:

I got out of high school in 1990, was thrown out of a university for partying to much in 1991, then worked at various factory and construction jobs for a couple years. Decided that lifestyle wasn't for me so I quit drinking and went back to school and got a 2 year AAS degree in mechanical drafting. It took me 3 years to get the 2 year degree because I worked full time nights so I could go to class part time during the day. When I completed school I got a drafting/detailing job for a fairly major office furniture manufacturer (Knoll) for a couple years. Left that office furniture manufacturer for another (Steelcase). Now I work 40 hours a week at Steelcase in the Specials Engineering Department and design office furniture. In the Specials Dept I design the funky shaped worksurfaces, odd sizes, and whatever the customer can think up. Someday I'd love to help out some model engine makers/manufacturers and design/draft/detail model engines either on the side or while I'm slow at work. Here's a picture of the building I work in.


I got my start in engines with a 3hp John Deere my Dad bought. He restored it and ran it a few times but never showed it or anything like that. All I remeber as a young kid (maybe 10 or younger) is my Dad launching tennis balls out of the exhaust stack. Nobody really took a liking to it so it just sat around for 15 or so years. I remembered the tennis ball launching for some reason and we all laughed about it one afternoon. I asked what ever happened to that 'thing' and they said it was still in my brothers garage, I could have it if I wanted it. I told them I had room in my garage and I'll take and use it. So my brother took almost an entire day and cleaned the crap out of his garage, hauled all the junk off of it, and pulled it out of the back corner. He hauled it over to our house where we got it running in no time at all. A buddy of mine stopped by after work one day and saw the running engine. Says, "hey I saw a big billboard with one of those 'things' on it advertising some antique tractor show or something. You should go check it out." Well my wife and I went to that show and it was down hill from there. I think we have 16 flywheel engines now, a bunch of little B&S's, Clinton's, (some are parts some running), a few walk behind garden tractors, and all the same stuff you guys have, tools, piston pumps, pitcher pumps, air compressors, and on and on.




Michael Christie

Hello All
My name is Michael Christie, I'm 19 years old and have been collecting engines
for about 5 years now and I'm from Moe, Victoria in Australia. My main interest
is two stroke stationary engines for wich I have many but but I also have a few
open crankers. I have been a member of the list for a few months now and I am
hopeing some one out there might be able to help me with the following engines.
The first is a 2 stroke Ferro stationary engine. It is the type that has two
spoked flywheels and a cast base(missing) and I think it is about 2 H.P. I am
missing the base, carby, ignition system and cooling system. Any info about
what the parts look like and especially what type of carby used would be
greatly appreciated. Secondly the Root & Vandervoort. It is a 2H.P type BL
Triumph line engine. I am trying to find the following parts for my engine-
carby, ignitor, head, govenor, rocker arm, and the cam follwer arm. Anyone who
might happen to have any of the previous missing parts I would like to get in
contact with so I can get this engine finished. Any help on the above Ferro
engine especially parts for the R&V would be greatly appreciated. Hopefully I
will hear from some of you soon.             
                     Happy Cranking


  George Best

I'll be 54 in December of this year.  I grew up in a small logging/mill town
in Oregon and have always been interested in mechanical things.

I probably would have ended up staying in that small town if it hadn't been
for the Viet Nam war.  I got my draft notice in 1966 and decided the Air
Force probably offered a better future than being in the infantry. I lucked
out and the AF sent me through a couple of computer schools and I was in
computer maintenance/repair.  After the AF I went to school to learn
programming and have been a computer programmer working for the same company
since 1974.

I'm not 100% sure when I got into the hobby, but it was somewhere around
1976.  I started out on the tractor side of the hobby.  It was when I was
looking for parts for a Fordson that I first found out about engine/tractor
clubs and shows.  Since that time I've been a continuous member of Branch 15
of Early Day Gas Engine & Tractor Assoc.

I'm not one of those guys that is able to keep everything they get for their
collection.  I wish I was, as over the years I've had some very nice
tractors in my collection.  My problem has always been that I've always
liked the expensive and rare stuff, but don't have the money to keep it all,
so I've had to sell and trade parts of my collection any time I found a new
toy I thought I needed.

When I started the only tractors that had any interest to me were the steel
wheeled tractors.  At that time they also made up the majority of the
tractors being shown at the shows. (my how times have changed!)

The first 15 years I was in this hobby, Kathy (my wife for 31 yrs) and our
two daughters lived in normal neighborhoods and didn't have room for a big
collection.  My tractor collection at that time was basically scattered
around the area with stuff stored at my parents, the Brooks showground's,
friends, etc.

Although we lived on a cul-de-sac, I still restored several tractors at
home.  Not many people can say they restored a 1918 25-50 Avery tractor in
their driveway!

Ten years ago I found a 4 acre place out in the country.  The main appeal to
me was it was secluded so no one would complain about noise or what I was
doing, plus it already had a couple barns so I'd have room to have my
collection in one place for the first time!  Unfortunately, Kathy didn't
like the house so we did major remodeling to the house and we're still not
finished with the house.

One of my problems is not being able to say "NO".  I've always been one to
do whatever I can to help others, without thinking about whether I have the
time to do it or not.  Consequently I live a very hectic life style and
always have way too much to do and never enough time.

Because of this problem, I ended up being the Branch 15 newsletter editor
for several years and also served a term as Vice President.

Five years ago, I got a crazy idea that it would be nice if there was a
publication of classified ads for collectors on the west coast.  Although
I've subscribed to the national magazines since the late 70's and still do,
I've always noticed that the ads from the west coast are few and far between
in the magazines.  So Western Antique Iron Trader was started and we've
grown to around 1300 subscribers and continue to grow each month.
Unfortunately, as it has grown so has the amount of time that goes into
keeping it growing and functioning.  Luckily, Kathy has taken over a lot of
what I was doing so now I'm not working on it every evening like I was.

Although I've had stationary engines since I first got in the hobby (still
have a 1hp F-M Jack Jr that I got in the first few years) it wasn't until I
started W.A.I.T. that I really got back into the engine side of the hobby.

My conversion to the engine side is somewhat because the engine hobby has
stayed pretty constant and old engines are still desired and shown.  While
on the tractor side of the hobby, the old classic steel wheeled tractors are
shown less and less often and more often more modern tractors are where the
hobby is.  I also admit that sitting in a chair under a shade canopy with an
engine display is more sociable than riding around out in the sun on a

Being in the hobby for so many years, I've met a lot of collectors from many
parts of the country.  I also have no problem in driving long distances, so
I get around a bit more than the average person!  Harry, Paul, and Kathy
know about my HOWT (Hell On Wheels Tours)!

I've got somewhere around 12 or 14 tractors and about 15 engines in my
collection.  Wish I could say they were all restored or running, but only
about half run or are near running condition.  Somehow I just can't seem to
find the time to work on them!

We've got a guest room or two and have always been willing to offer room to
fellow collectors and are also willing to act as tour guides as time

Sorry about this being so long.






Dave Croft    (Picture)

I am 61 years old and I live in a small terraced house in Warrington in the
North West of England.
I have been retired since 1995 after working as a technical officer for
British Telecom for 38 years.
I care for my disabled wife Marjorie & as I am starting to suffer from
arthritis in my hands & shoulders. The bigger engines are getting too much
for me now.
I now mainly show old bicycles & my collection of hot air engines.
I only discovered stationary engines in 1978 when a friend who knew that I
liked to look in scrapyards asked me to look for a Lister "D" for him.
At the time I was into electronics & I was looking for electronic parts.
In a country scrapyard I found two Lister Junior 3HP engines on cast iron
beds coupled to air compressors.
They were painted admiralty grey & had only been test run. I asked the price
and managed to get them both for 25 UKP.(35US$)
They looked fascinating so I sold one and kept the other.
I thought I would go to a vintage show & find out if I had bought a
collectable engine.
I put the engine in the back of my van & on arrival I was surprised to be
waved straight in without paying for admission.
I found the exhibitors to be very helpful & I was immediately hooked.
Many more engines followed & over the years I have owned over 100 engines
with the average at one time being about 20.
More than 18 years ago I saw an advert in the Stationary Engine magazine for
someone to swap engines with a Danish collector.
I replied & that is how I met my late good friend Jens Lauritsen.
We exchanged over 20 English engines for Danish models & I stayed with Jens
to help with his museum a number of times.
I still have a number of Danish & Swedish friends so if anyone needs help in
that regard ,just ask.
I now only have 4 engines.
I sold the majority of my collection as my wifes disabilities got worse & we
used the money to have good holidays.
I don't regret it as we can't travel now & we still have the memories!
The list has revitalised my engine interests & I do what I can to help
My other interests are Good beer from all over the world & Indian curries!
Also family history.





Roland Craven


As a long time List member its a while since I did this and much has
I'm 52 and live in warm, and wet, Devon in the SW of England. Celia and I
will celebrate our silver next year and we have four lovely daughters. Down
to two at home now as the elder pair are making their way in the world.
(They do turn up for regular feeds and washing though :-)
After 30 years in the Insurance industry as a Project manager and IT
Consultant I was, thankfully, early retired on my birthday last week and am
now returning to my first love. The shop is nearly finished and the arrival
of 3phase electricity in a few weeks should see the machines rolling. I
should record here the generous help of several List members in helping with
some technical aspects of construction and machinery choice.

My engine story is well recorded elsewhere but I now have over 70 engines
and a growing pile of Petters. (A mania not shared by all, especially those
with white shirts).
Our change in lifestyle means that Celia has gone back to work and I am now
a full time househusband. A role which is taking some, enjoyable, getting
used to !!
Other hobbies include; family history, and fly fishing. We have also been
infected with Tilley lamps and gramophones but the treatment seems to be
Hoping that FMD will be gone and looking forward to a full Rally and fishing
season next year.
Roland Craven
nr Exeter Devon, UK





Kevin L. Bandy (Picture)



I'm 32 and live in Alexandria, TN.  I married 7 years ago and have a 6 year old son, Zachary.  My wife is Brenda.  My mother died when I was a kid, and her parents raised me for the most part.  My grandfather had a stroke in '95, and I moved my grandparents into our home.  He passed away this past July.  My grandmother continues to live with us.  She is 78.  My grandfather was 89 at his death.


Many of you have read my story of the Rockford in GEM from Sept 2000 issue.  This was my grandfather's engine.  1912 model 1 1/2 hp hit-n-miss.  With much help, I got it to run again in Feb 2000 after being stored since about 1951.  Wasn't stuck, but needed some work.  Valve bent, new gaskets, springs, etc.  Nothing major.  It runs well, but could use new rings.  My grandfather was tickled pink to see it run again.  I'm glad he lived long enough to see it run.  We enjoyed several days of sitting in the carport watching it run and telling stories.


I also have a 1915 headless 3hp Witte, a 1938 Dempster No.1 feed grinder, and a flat belt drill press.  I love going to shows and have meet alot of good guys.


I must give thanks to Jimmy Priestly over in McMinnville.  He has been alot of help to me.  And so has Ken Christison over in the Carolina's.  Both are super people.


I also enjoy the list.  I check it everyday and always look forward to it.  You never know what to expect!


Take care & God bless.



Kevin L. Bandy

Alexandria, TN






Tommy Stojanov

    My name is Tommy Stojanov and I am 14 years old. I have been into old
gas engines for a couple years now, and own about 7 now (soon to be eight if
I don't fall down the well with the engine!! ) I do a little electrical,
refrigeration, heating, air conditioning, engine rebuilds, hydraulics,
plumbing, carpentry (the list goes on!) I am a freshman in the Spencerport
School district and play football and wrestling. See ya.




Colt Edin


Colt Edin, Askov, MN, located in east central Minnesota.
>age 16, in High School and a bunch of sports
>340 acre farm, LOTS of haying in the summer>
>I attended a couple of shows last year with my dad, and found out at church
>that an older farmer there had an engine in his barn...  Several months
>later, I bought it from him. (Its my engine, not dad's)
>hobbies: engine work, sports, farm work, great lakes history, and HS girls
>current projects: 1.5 John Deere E, wooden sawrig for 6 HP United>>




Reg Ingold (Picture)

I am 66, lived through the London Blitz in the 2nd world war, always had a
leaning towards mechanical things.
Started work as a factory Maintenance fitter and stayed with this trade
until I needed more money. (Got married and had two kids. Daughter now 40
and son,38) Went to nightschool. got qualifications and got a job as an
aircraft test engineer with BAC. A change of Govt in England saw my job
going down the tube so we sold up and came to 1965. Spent the first 6
years in Tasmania, where I raced speedway sidecars and Motocross, along with
running a couple of businesses and working as a fitter.
The move to Newcastle area was taken as there was not much future for the
kids in Tas and I had the chance of getting into another business. (Didnt
work out but, thats another story!)
I started working on motorcycles full time as they had always been a big
love in my life. Took up racing Enduros and had a full life until 1984 when
I was involved in a bad accident in the mountains near here. A collision
with a kid on an unregistered bike who was racing his mates and looking back
to see how far ahead he was!!. That left me with major damage to my left arm
and put me out of the workforce.
I started playing with old engines just after this time and have had a lot
of enjoyment from the hobby. I have been involved with the Hunter Valley
engine group for a long time and held a few positions in the club.
My interest has drifted away from the full size engines and towards building
models of them. I have made around 70 so far. I still have about 18 full
size but they dont get out to shows too often these days.  I also have a
good collection of hot air stuff and a good workshop to play in. I have been
getting over to the USA every few years to visit all the good friends the
hobby and the list have given me. I know I am a bit of a clown but, I sure
enjoy life!!
On things computer, I am a bit of a dummy and I have to admit that without
Ken Christison's skills, I wouldnt have a website. I just dont seem to have
the time or inclination to really get stuck into it. it is just another tool
to me and is used as such.
 Reg & Marg Ingold.
 Holmesville. N.S.W.







  Tom Schmutz


I am Tom Schmutz, age 57, married to my lovely wife Millie for 36 years.  We
live in central Virginia on Millie's family farm of 375 acres which was
bought in 1885 for $1900 and at the purchase time consisted of 519 acres.  It
is a working cattle farm with about 60 head at present.  It is now leased to
someone else, but I did farm it for 20 years until I ran out of money.  At
this time I will make a very public offer that there is plenty of room here
to store old rusty iron should anyone have a need.

I am a retired mechanical engineer, building nuclear components for the Navy
propulsions systems, and now work for Millie's brother building houses. 
Seems he thought it was not healthy for me to be retired and have nothing to
do.  I believe I work harder now than I have since I was a young man.  But,
building houses has many rewards such as seeing the work completed and having
a happy home owner.  

I got interested in old engines about 10 years ago when I attended our local,
a few miles from our home, first year show, and became fascinated by the
engines.  I have been very fortunate over the past years to have a number of
"off the original farm" engines, and now own 20 some engines including a 1/2
New Holland, a couple of 6 hp Famous's, and a couple of 6 hp M's, 8 hp Olds,
and a number of Economy's and others.  Millie and I attend about 10 or so
shows a year from North Carolina to Pennsylvania.  We enjoy showing and
demonstrating the engines and answering people' s  many questions.  We also
enjoy meeting and making friends with the Great people associated with this
hobby.  I was hood winked into becoming the president of our local show
Stonewall Antique Power Association a few years ago.  It is a small show held
the third weekend of May at Concord Virginia.

In addition to old engines I collect old tools, gadgets, and other junk I
hang up for people to look at in my buildings.  I also have a herd of lovely
beagle dogs who enjoy going out rabbit hunting with me.  From November thru
January the engine hobby goes by the wayside and me and my beagles have a
great time walking the outdoors and enjoying the scenery.

I am also a 4+ years colon cancer survivor who almost died from it, having
three surgeries, 5 weeks of radiation every day, and 8 months of
chemotherapy.  I get blood checkup every 6 months and will have my 3 year
colonoscopy this coming Monday.  To the best of my knowledge I am cancer free.

I enjoy this list very much! 

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Virginia






Bob Bolhuis



   Hi, Bob here.  Guess I'll take my turn.
      I live near the village of Springfield Ontario, ( Pop500 ) on 6 acres
with a 140 year old farmhouse ,  but more importantly a big dairy barn for
storing iron.
       I have been working as an industrial millwright for 27 of my 47
years.  For the last 13 years I have been working for a joint GM-Suzuki
plant that makes the Chev Tracker
      I was introduced to the old iron about 20 years ago by a friend who's
a steam nut.One weekend he suggested "lets go to the steam show" and the
rest is history ,  Only I fell in love with the H&M engines. Over the years
my collection has gravitated towards Canadian built engines and mostly
GILSON . I now have over 30 Gilsons and approximately 70 engines ( too many
!! )
       All my life I have been interested in trees . I've done volunteer
research work for the Guelph University and am a member of the Harvard
Arboretum.  Lately I have been planting nut trees  , trying to fill up my 6
       Sheila is kept busy with her antique shop in our 3 car garage ( does
anybody REALLY put cars in them!!)  and looking after our 4 sons  (  ages
13-21 ) .  She enjoys collecting  Panneled Thistle glass and Royal Nippon
        I'm also lucky to have a wife who enjoys the engine hobby and
actually claims some of the emgines as her own ( that is until they quit
         I find that this hobby has always been a lot of fun and filled with
great people, but since I've joined the SEL it has become more of a
worldwide family .  Things just keep getting better!!!
        Well I think I've tied up enough of your time.

Bob and Sheila Bolhuis
 Aylmer, Ont.






Jay Bernard (Picture)



Jay Bernard here, I'm 15, currently homeschooled (Sweet setup, i get all of
the afternoon (12-6) to tinker), I'm interested in Old Electric fans, old
engines, and old cars.  I currently own 8 engines, my pride and joy being a
1922 Stover KA, which i restored, my biggest challenge so far (thanks to
Dick Gibbens for that engine). I am currently working on a 1964 Chevrolet
"Chevy II" or nova, which will be my daily driver.  My first engine was a
Maytag 92, which runs real good.  I live in Thibodaux, LA (southeast LA).
Jay B.




Denis Rouleau


I'm French-Canadian, born on a small dairy farm in 1950 in Eastern Ontario.
Being the eldest of ten kids I soon realized that there was not room for
everyone on the farm so after completing high school I moved on to the big
city, Ottawa, where I worked as a construction labour for a couple of years.
Pay was not bad but job security was more important to me so I joined the
public service with the government of Canada. I've now got 31 years of service
with them so retirement is less than 4 years away. I've had the same wife
for nearly 30 years now and she tolerates my old iron addiction. I started
playing with old tractors on steel wheels around 1985. Most of my tractors
are Fordsons but I have other makes including an IHC 10-20 Titan. I eventually
started showing my tractors which gave me the occassion to meet some of the
engine guys there. I still have all my tractors but my interest has now
switched to gasoline engines. I got my first engine in about 1993 so I consider
myself new to the hobby. BTW my first engine was an IHC LB 1-1/2 to 2-1/2hp.
I will not list all the engines I have as I have pretty well kept you
informed when I made new acquisitions. Most of my engines can be seen at:
I now have 75 engines as of last Saturday, and I will stop buying engines
when I find another 25. This should be soon!!!
Denis Rouleau





Paul Maples


Ok guys, I don't want to feel like I am left out so I will ramble out a few
lines about myself. First of all I am really enjoying reading all of these,
in fact I am storing all of this information on my hard drive so I can
access it later on.

I am 56 years old and live in what we call North Central, Arkansas in a
little town called Searcy which has a population of about 18,000. I am
married to my second wife Rachel who seems to tolerate me although she is
free with her criticism of what she does not like about me. I call it
nagging, she says she is just talking to me. I have a son who is 28 years
old and works for UPS, married and has my twin 3 year old grandsons. I have
my adopted daughter whom I have had ever since she was 3 days old and she is
Daddy's girl even though she is 26 years old and has my 6 year old
Granddaughter. She is a Dental Hygienist. My stepdaughter is 31 years old
and she produced my 12 year old and 7 year old grandson. These kids are
something, they move off, spawn, and come back. I am trying to get all of
the boys interested in the old engines. I bought Reg's little model engine
that he had at Portland this year and every time the twin 3 year old boys
come over they want me to start it and I do so they are already interested
in old engines. Thanks Reg for your contribution to my Grandsons. The wife
has a fit if I run it to long as she says it stinks ....what an insult. Just
because I have it setting in my den is no reason for her to talk like that.
List members try and forgive her.

I am currently employed at Eaton Corporation where I have worked for 35
years. Started out in the computer room running company payroll, moved from
there to maintenance and worked up to Manager of Plant Engineering and
Maintenance. I went to Japan and studied for awhile and learned a Japanese
Manufacturing philosophy and for the last 9 years the company has been
sending me around the world to their plants to teach them this philosophy. I
became certified by the Japanese as a Global Instructor and have taught in
six different countries as well as all across the U.S. This does not make me
any expert, just someone who knows enough about something to snow a few

I started collecting old engines about 12 years ago and had a modest
collection and then I injured my back and decided to sell out which I did.
Over the years my back has improved and I decided I wanted to get back to
what I loved the most, the old engines. Dave Rotigel was very helpful to me
as I re-entered the hobby helping me with getting on the List and helping me
find my first engine for the second time around. I only have 14 engines to
date but it looks like I will be adding a 15 HP Reid to the collection this

Besides the old engines I have a 1930 Model A Roadster with an older
restoration as well as I have a 1916 Model T with an older restoration. I
love woodworking and I have a 20' X 40' woodworking shop. My wife says I am
nothing but a tool collector because all I ever do is buy tools and I never
build anything and she is mostly right about that. I try and build toys
every year for the kids who never get anything as I get enjoyment out of

I built a 18' X 28' addition to the wood shop and this is where I keep my
Metal Lathe, Plasma Cutter, Acetylene Welder, Arc Welder, Wire Welder, etc.
Don't know how to use any of them but they look good setting there and do
serve to impress the neighbors when they wonder in.

I gave my life to the Lord many years ago and I try and live a decent life
but I am certainly not a perfect Christian, probably would not even quality
as a fair Christian but I try my best.

Enough rambling so I will close by saying that the List offers me some of
the greatest joy I receive out of life and serves to relieve me of a lot of
stress. I don't know what I would do without my List family and everyone of
you mean a lot to me.

Thanks List for all that you are and for always being there for me.


Paul Maples
Searcy, Arkansas






Tommy Turner


OK, my turn I guess.  My name is Tommy Turner I'm 41 and I have lived my entire
life in the small hamlet of Magnolia, Kentucky.   I have had the good fortune of
having a varied occupational background.  My dad was a "jack of all trades".  He
owned a real estate company, a machine shop, farm machinery dealership and
farmed.  Needless to say, I got to do a little bit of everything when I was
growing up.  But my love was with machine shop.  A guy came by the shop one day
when I was there (In 1972) and asked my dad if he had any of the old one cylinder
engines.  The guy had a buggy and wanted to mount an engine under it to build a
car.  My dad didn't have one but my curiosity was up.  A neighbor had an old
Ottawa Log Saw that his dad had bought new.  I got it for $20 and from that point
on, I've had iron in my blood.  I would ask everyone that came in and at every
auction that my dad had about the old iron.  From the time I was about 14 I did
custom hay cutting and baling.  I did real well and I could now buy some of the
good iron.  This was in the day when a dandy engine would cost you $250 - $300
(the ones that will now bring 20 to 30 times this).  I would have enough money
saved up at the end of the month to get me one.  My mom wasn't too keen on the
idea of me gathering up the stuff.  But, my dad didn't care and said he thought I
could be "wasting" it on a lot worse.  I've got about 75 old engines right now
and always looking for something different.

On the personal side, my job is serving as the county judge of LaRue County, KY
(the county where Abe Lincoln was born).  I've been in this job since 1985 when I
was elected at the ripe age of 24.  I'm still the youngest person ever elected to
the office of county judge in KY.  How I got involved in the political arena is
another story.  I remember appearing before the county judge in 1980 with my dad
concerning a zoning matter.  The exchange between the judge and my dad got a
little heated and I interrupted.  The judge said "look son, if you think you want
to be judge then you need to go to school and then run for the it!"  Well, it got
me to thinking and 5 years later I took his job.  I got 65% of the vote the first
election.  He and I squared off again 4 years later and I got 72%.   The last
time I had an opponent (4 years ago) I got 84%.  I really feel lucky.  My dad
always made sure I kept things in perspective.  I remember the night I was
elected a reporter came up and congratulated me on being so young and getting
elected.  I looked at my dad and said "I guess you're proud of me aren't you".
He said to ask that of him the day the other guy got more votes than me, then he
would let me know whether or not he was proud of me.  He also said "being the
youngest elected means you could also be the youngest defeated"  He sure helped
keep my feet on the ground (a tough task for a 24 year old full of "vinegar").
I'm probably the only county judge's office in KY that has the phone answered
with my name (Tommy Turner's office) not "Judge Turner's office".  I do this
because my dad taught me that I may be "Judge Turner" one term.  But, I'm Tommy
Turner my whole life.

My wife, Camille Bingham, and I married in 1986.  We have a son, Isaiah, 5 years
old, and a daughter, Anna Grace, 6 months old.  My wife (who is 5 years younger
than me) is an administrator in the local school system.  As some of you know, we
had a tornado hit our place in '97.  It destroyed everything we had.  We survived
as did much of the old iron (with a few "bruises").  It gave us a little
different perspective on things.

Sorry to bore you with some of this.  However, if you're going to get to know me
these are some personal things I thought I should share.

The list is great.  I really enjoy the friendships / info. / and joy that it
brings me.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky





Larry Anger


My name is Larry Anger and I am 60 years old, and still married to my first
wife Carol for almost 40 years now.  We live in rural Southern
Ontario,Canada, just outside the town of Tillsonburg.  Actually I only live
about 10 miles from Bob Bolhuis.  I still have to work for a living to
support my hobby habits and buy some groceries.  I work as a Field Service
Representative for the "Link-Belt Construction Equipment Company".  I have
37 years with the Company so far.  I have travelled on the road as a service
Rep. for 27 years.  My present Territory is the eastern half of Canada
begining with Saskatchewan and ending in the Atlantic, as well as the States
of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Mass.  I have 5 children and 9
grandchildren.  My oldest Son and his wife were killed when riding their
motorcycle and hit head on by a car that swerved into their side of the
road.  Two and a half years ago we adopted a little boy from Guatemala who
is the joy of my life.  He just turned 4 a week ago and he already has an
engine of his own.  I bought him a 10 HP Acadia and built a cart for it and
took it to a local show this summer.  It will run all day long so slow it
almost stops between firings.  I have not had the old iron disease too long.
I always liked them and my first engine was a 6 HP Massey Harris Type 2 that
was totally complete and was pulled out of a woods where it had been used to
run a buzz saw.  I like collecting Canadian Built engines.  My 27 year old
son is somewhat of a partner in this old iron habit also.  Our biggest
engine is a 20 HP Reid that we hauled back home from an oil lease in West
Virginia.  My other money pit is an airplane that I enjoy flying when the
time is available.  I am also a Ham Radio Operator (VE3AKA) but not active
right now.  I think this enough ramblin' fer now.

Larry Anger,







William J. Pfeiffer Jr  (Picture)

Well, guess it is my turn now.

I am 35, and have been collecting iron since 1995 when my dad got me
interested in it.  I have always liked to tinker with small engines
anyways, and i tend to lean more towards air cooled stuff.  My fiancee
Sher is into old iron too, and has two flywheel engines.  As I do not
currently have my own shop, the restoring of iron is pretty slow.  BUT
that does not mean I do not stop lookin for more.  I have been on this
list since 1996, and met the infamous Dr. Dave when I helped in the
final phases of the famous 'Tod project'.  I really enjoy going to
shows, kicking back with friends and listening to the stack music.

On the personnal side, I spent ten years in the US Air Force in the
Visual Information fields.  I say fields since I got to do a little of
everything, from photo to video and even a little graphic arts.  Sher
and I are both computer geeks, and Freckles is following in the
footsteps of his idol Duke.  Speaking of which, Twin could you send
another of the lifesize cutouts of 'Novo Boy'?  The crotch area of the
current one is pretty well shreaded.

Oh, and we all know that it is impolite to state a ladies age.  So, Sher
is of legal age and that is all that matters. 8-P

William J. Pfeiffer Jr.,
Sharon A. Cook &
Freckles (Titanium Toothed Terror in training)
Prospect Heights, Illinois, USA




Bill Pfeiffer Sr. (Picture)

Since Bill Sr. doesn't like to type I guess this introduction stuff will just have to have my slant on it.


Bill originally started with a 1927 Willy's Knight that he rescued from a scrap yard that the town of Des Plaines was making shut down.  That was 28 years ago, they had to cut about a 10 inch tree down that was growing between the car and the back bumper to get it out.  We used to go to car swap meets looking for parts for this beast, and that is when Bill first heard a "hit n miss" engine about 25 years ago now, he said he would like to own one of those some day.  He lost interest in the Willys 14 years ago when he acquired his first engine from Prince Stevens while on vacation in Maine.  Yes I said on vacation, he saw some fly wheels up on a hill on our way to the camp ground, we set up the camper and he went back to investigate. Prince sold him an Ottawa (that by the way still does not run) and the rest as they say is history. He now has 45 fly wheel engines and numerous air cooled engines. Bill is a truck mechanic and I am a laid off computer network engineer. We live in a mobile home so Bill has most of his engines and equipment at his Mom's house. We figure there must be at least 2,500 pounds of sand blasting sand in his Mom's back yard at this point, the grass grows really great and seems to have great drainage. However we do have 2 engines in our living room, since they are kind of pricey and very portable, a 1 1/4 hp Hand Andy and a 1 HP Gray (this one we got off of Ebay).  The really ironic part is that the Hand Andy was originally owned by the guy that was at that fateful car show!


I like to volunteer and do things for others, so that I can feel that I am contributing, in other words, I hope in some small way I will leave this world a little better off for having passed through. I have been a member of the Institute of Management Accountants for 23 years and have a perfect attendance record for meetings of 23 years, I have served on the board of directors of my local chapter for 22 years, and was the first woman president of my chapter, and went on to serve twice more as president.


Enough about me, we also have 2 dogs Schnapps and Peaches (or Peach Schnapps). 


We have been married for 36 years and met on a blind date on Halloween night 37 years ago.


Peg & Bill Pfeiffer

Des Plaines, IL 





Peter Ogborne goes , seeing i am the oldest so far my CV can be the
longest .My name is Peter Ogborne and i live at Trigg ,a beach
side suburb near Perth ,the capital city of West Australia . Living here is
great ,Mediterranean type climate next to the Indian Ocean and in one of the
most isolated capital cities any where .Although i only live about 13 km
from Perth i have a natural bush reserve at the back of our house full of
native birds .My wife Jo and i have been married 39 years ,the first 10
years we lived on a small island closer to Java than to Australia .
I am 65 and was born here in Perth ,started my working life as an apprentice
fitter and turner at a firm that made small agricultural engines and
During that 5 years i also did my compulsory National Service in the Army,
in the R.A.E.M.E [ elec and Mech engineers] .Here i learnt to shoot guns and
fix them and to polish boots and also to drink beer . After my time as an
apprentice was up i moved on and travelled and worked all over Australia .
The first two major working periods in my life were in the hydro electric
industry ,Snowy Mountains .
and at Christmas Island in the Indian Ocean near Java . Here i
supervised the large machine shop,looked after the island power stn [ 8MW
,English Electric Diesels ] and many other maintainence jobs on the island
.We did work for the phosphate mine and
many other things including breakdowns on passing ships . The Island is so
remote and was self sufficient, if you did not have it you made it . My last
period of work was with a world wide firm of consulting engineers. I spent
15 years here as an inspection engineer ,doing commissioning of mechanical
work on remote power stns , NDT ,welding inspection etc. All this involved
travel throughout Australia .
Since retiring my wife Jo and i have travelled mainly to Europe ,we lived in
Yugoslavia on the island of Korcula and spent one year in the UK , Jo is a
school teacher and we did an exchange with a UK teacher, swapped houses and
schools .[ now there 's an idea]
I have two sons ,twins and together we have spent a lot of time surfing at
the great surf spots in the north and south of this state . I have stopped
now ,age has caught up .I also used to windsurf again the body has protested
Engines ...........i have about 20 engines ,mainly British and Australian
,the only US one is a Smiths Motor Wheel and because i got a
couple of marine engines i seem to attract them . I do have one large engine
of unknown make ,we call it the Gin Gin Engine ,old hot tube with an unusual
governor.I belong to the Machinery
Preservation Club of West Australia .At the moment i am restoring an 1890
Trusty Oil Engine for the club . I also helped a great friend of mine and to
gether we brought a 1904 Ruston Proctor Steam engine back to life .
The internet has been great and i enjoy the contacts ,with it i have made a
great friend in Missouri .
Peter Ogborne
Trigg Western Australia




Barry Stait


Here is my store so far,
I am 36 years old, (37 in November), married (Leone) and have 2 kids (Terry
& Paula ). I work in a underground coal mine as a fitter. My work is about a
40min drive from my home in Mudgee.
Mudgee is a town in the central west of New South Wales. ( about a 3 1/2 to
4 hour drive from Sydney.)
The old motor bug got me when my father started to collect vintage tractors
about 3 years ago, and not having the space to store tractor around my home
I got into old motors. I have 4 vintage motors of which 2 are going and I
have taken them to a few rallies, 1 is just about ready to start showing,
and 1 more I am yet to start on. I also have some other bits and pieces
around the place as well.( one day jobs.).
 The list I have found to be great place. I have got a lot of information
off it and made some good friends, which now I have been able to start to
put faces to the names. The one thing I have found out about the list is
that you can get a number of different velwes on the same subject which can
be very helpful when you are trying to make your own mind up.
Rusting away slowly,
Barry Stait.
B & L Stait.
Mudgee, N.S.W.





Steve Barr (Picture)  


I am 27 and live in the suburbs of Chicago.  The neighbors think I am
nuts, but I think it is the rust.  I still "share" my parent's home
with them and two younger sisters.  The four older sisters have moved
on to different areas of the nation (PRKA "Peoples Republic of
Kalifornia" - but moving back to IL; Columbus,GA; New Baden,IL-near
St.Louis; and one local in Wheaton,IL). 

I work as a computer contractor on some short-term contracts, which
usually turn into long term.  This has allowed me to accumulate some
iron in a short amount of time.  I have been collecting gas engines
since the summer of '98.  I had started back in 91 with diecast farm
tractors.  It progressed to a full size tractor, which I sold in '98.
 I think that my engine collection count is now over 25 not including
the 7 Maytag motors.

I seem to be traveling a lot more now on weekends.  I took in 15
shows along with 6 engine auctions this year to date.  My 2000 pickup
is now sitting at 47,000 miles in just a year and a half.  It will
increase this weekend with another trip.

I have now come to a point where I have filled my storage space to
capacity and in order to purchase other engines, have to either find
more space or sell some off to add more.  Does this sound familiar?
At least my Father does not complain that much.He has gotten the bug
and now has two tractors and two engines.

I have started to focus on locally built engines.  I have 4 Challenge
engines (5th on the way), two Sandwich, a Taylor Vacuum, Independent
Harvester.  All were built or sold within 60 miles of my home.  I
have a few more Illinois built, but are outside of that range.
Steve Barr 

 Downers Grove, IL




Mike Tucker




My name is Mike Tucker.  Although I've been on the SEL since way back
in the Indiana server days, I am usually pretty quiet (mostly because
being new to the hobby my ability to add to an engine discussion is
relatively limited).   I'm 35 years young and I live in the big city
of Midway, Kentucky (population 1500), which is about 10 miles west
of Lexington, with my wonderful wife, Susan, and my equally wonderful
8 year old son, Lincoln.  Susan and I met in the 6th grade, started
dating in the 9th, went to college together at Texas A&M University
and were married right after we graduated in 1988.  I had an interest
in medical research so with my BS in Biology in hand and a years
worth of lab work under my belt to make sure that I really liked it,
I entered UT Southwestern Medical School where I obtained my Ph.D. in
biochemistry.  Wanting to get out of the Dallas/Fort Worth metromess,
I took a job here at the University of Kentucky and have been here
for over 7 years now.  Needless to say we love the beauty, slow pace
and many other aspects of Kentucky.  Here at the university I work in
the Sanders-Brown Center on Aging where I do primarily Alzheimer's
Disease research.  Susan operates her own graphic design and
advertising business out of the house.

As for my love of old iron, I got started at an early age growing up
on our ranch in Texas because it was my job to keep my grandfathers
1948 SC Case running for the various tasks that we used it for.  At
some point Susan and I went to a tractor show and I saw this strange
looking single cylinder gas engine (probably a John Deere Model E)
and thought that it was pretty cool.  Well, I was finally hooked
after we moved to Kentucky and we were visiting Susan's grandmother
up in Indiana where we went to the Forks of the Wabash Pioneer Days
show.  I walked around looking at all of the various engines and what
made them tick and from that point on I was hooked.  After a few
months of searching I bought my first engine, a 1925 1-3/4 hp Economy
Model S.  Since then I have added a 1912? 3 hp Novo Model S, a 1920?
Friend Model BX (on the "to-do" list) and my current project a 1912?
4 hp tank cooled Foos Jr.

Some of my other hobbies include doing as much as I can to keep
Lincoln hooked on old iron, helping my wife out with her 1964 Triumph
TR4, collecting and restoring/repairing pre 1920 American pocket
watches, horses, music and enjoying the outdoors.

The SEL has been a tremendous help to me from an engine restoration
standpoint and a real joy from a social standpoint.  To go to a far
away show and know a bunch of people or to have an SEL friend stop by
my place on their way to somewhere else is a wonderful thing.  We
certainly have our moments at times but when you see the amazing
gathering of folks at Portland from all over the world, it makes it
all worth while!

Happy flywheelin',
When I rise up, let me rise up joyful like a bird
When I fall, let me fall without regret like a leaf - W. Berry
Susan and Michael
Midway, Kentucky





Joe Betz (Picture)

My name is Joe Betz.  Some people call me "Pip".  That came from when I
was a small kid.
I'm 57, retired at 56 this January from the floor covering industry.
Installed Carpet, Vinyl Tile, and the like.  Comercial jobs only.  Me,
wife Sylvia, Amy, and Joey, live in a Ryan Homes plan in the town of
Library, PA. 10 miles south of Pittsburgh.  (The up-d-up's call it South
Park.)  Very limited (by space) on what I can harbor in the garage.

My first introduction to this hobby was with the Tri-State Historical
Steam Asso. in Finleyville.  Went to a few shows and wanted to get
"Hands-On".  Me and my boy (Joe Jr.)who is now 20, ended up operating a
1926 Buffalo Springfield, 12 ton steam roller at the Finleyville show for
about 3 or 4 years because no one else wanted it.  Too much trouble
firing it and stearing.  Personally, I loved that engine.

I always asked, "Where are all the small engines?" (Meaning gas )  Never
got a good answer to that one.  It seemes there is a discrepency between
gas people and steam people.  A subject that still remains as clear as
mud to me, after being a Director of the Asso. for as many years as I've
been involved.  (6 or 7 years)

Almost bought that roller from Willis Able, who owns about 90% of the
steam at Tri-State.
Decided it wasn't a good move.

Bought my first Gas Engine, at an auction, in an effort to be able to
attend other shows and be an exhibitor.    Am pretty much limited to
small engines.  2 - 3 HP because of the living conditions.

Drive a Ford 3/4 ton 4x4 that's  '72 vintage that uses more oil than gas.
 Like to make as many "local" shows as I can.  Local, as in 100 miles or

Have a 2 HP Witte Kero. - 2 HP F&J "N" Dishpan - 2 HP Stover CT-1 - 2.5
HP IDEAL "M"  Upright - Couple of Maytage - Couple of Briggs - A few
other things like water pumps  - grinders - working head - and the like.
Like to collect Kerosene Truck Flares - and anything else that burns

Ride a 1984 Harley Davidson FLH (Last of the shovelhead) that has classic
plates because it deserves it. (The only Harley I could ride without a
parts truck in tow.)

Well - If you've read this far, you got too much time on your hands.  Not
much else to say.
Catch Ya All on the web.
Joe B.





Ted Brookover (Picture)


Hi All,

I am Ted Brookover, I am 52 years old and I am a "rust-o-holic" ;-)

I am married to my wife of 17 years, Jennifer, and we reside in Kansas City
Missouri on 1 acre inside the city limits, so I am restricted by space as to
how large my collection can be.

At this time I have about a dozen flywheel engines, the best of which is the
1899 Industrial Iron Works.

I got started in this hobby in 1974 with the purchase of a Mod. C, Cushman
binder engine and over the years, I have owned all or half ( Dad and I used
to be partners) of several hundred engines. We would buy complete
collections when ever they came available, keep what we liked, and sell off
the rest.

At one time in the seventies, Dad and I had 80 plus gas engines and three
tractors at my folks house, all in a two car basement garage and a 1/4 acre
back yard.

Our whole family is into Gas Engines, Dad bought his first from a 17 year
old kid at the Boonville Mo. show in 1973. He and Mom and my little 9 year
old sister Julie had stopped to have a look, and he was bitten by the bug,
it was a completely restored and running JD E on trucks, for $85.

Six years later the 17 year old kid, now 23, married Julie, now 16, the rest
as they say is history. Their sons Raymond 17 and Jason 13 are both Engine
men as is their Dad and both Granddads and of course, their Uncle Ted.

I pass the days now as a Self Un-employed machinist/magneto repairman, and I
am heavily involved with precision shooting, aspirin tablets at 200 yards

To quote a couple of good friends, "Life is Good" and "Burrrrrrrrrrp"

Ted Brookover
Kansas City, Missouri

Ignitor Identification Page 






The French Family   (Picture Helen)     (Picture Jim)


It seems this is catching on, and it's a great idea.  The way we all get to know
each other via email as a preliminary to "live" meetings is what makes this List

I'm Helen, but known to my friends as Dolly, 36 years old and married to Jim.  We
live near Leicester, pretty much in the middle of Endland.  Jim, his identical
twin Andy and older brother Jon have an industrial thermal insulation business
(mainly working in the food industry these days), employing a couple of guys, and
I run the office for them from home.
Jim and Andy were into old cars (they restored a couple of Morris Minors and
drove around in 1950s vintage Austin Champs before women came on the scene), and
also did some model making and various other hobbies.  There was a lull in this
sort of activity for marriage, house renovations and child rearing (Andy has a
boy of almost 15 and  a girl of 12, we have two boys aged 10 and 13), then about
5 years ago, we all went to a local steam and country fair, where the twins kept
saying they wanted to see "stationary engines".  I asked the classic beginners
question "yes, but what do they DO??" and a few weeks later we had the first one,
a Lister D.
The collection increased fairly rapidly, and I just did the good wifey bit: "yes,
dear it's very nice - here's your coffee / beer", and taking photographs of the
engines.  Then we got connected to the Net, and within a couple of days we were
on the List.  As I'm the computer-type person, I read the mail and filtered it so
Jim only had the best bits to read!  Reading so much about engines got me much
more involved in the hobby but rather than getting my hands dirty, my involvement
has been more of the photography and webpage variety, although I do enjoy going
to shows.
Thanks to a group of people on this list, I have my own engine now (a purple and
gold flowery Maytag; a getwell present when I was struck down with MS) and I just
love taking her to shows and seeing the reaction of the stuffy engine-goers to an
unconventionally painted Maytag, and a woman on THAT side of the fence!!!
Meanwhile, Jim has collected some nice engines - nothing wildly expensive, but
interesting engines which he's done quite a bit of work on.
We made our first pilgrimage to Portland in 1999, an exciting family event as our
boys had never been abroad or on a plane before, and we split the time between
the big show and seeing some of America's great sights.
At the show, Jim bought an R+V, which Arnie shipped back to the UK for us.  It
needed some mechanical restoration, but it was his first full cosmetic
Since then, we've made two further forays to the former colonies, and have played
host to list members travelling in the UK.  Arnie has stayed with us twice, and
each time, Jim has found him an engine to show over here and shipped them back to
the US.
Meanwhile, my involvment now included writing the monthy column for GEM on a
subject covered by this list.  I'm not quite sure how I got elected for that - I
think it's because I know how to use a spell-checker (that's not to say that I
This year, with a lot of help from list members, I bought Jim a 15HP Tillinghast
oilfield engine for his 40th birthday.  I did think it might be the ultimate
engine for his collection, but having bought him a Fairbanks Morse Eclipse and a
Petter S for the previous birthdays, I'm not betting on that!
The thing which really worries me is that the twins usually do the same things,
and Andy is just negotiating buying his first tractor.  Jim swears he's not
interested in tractors, but I'm watching for signs of widening of the rear just
in case .... (Twin, you'd better send me a couple of axe handles so I can keep
the measurements accurate)

Jim French




Harry Terpstra (Picture)


I'm 31 years old and life about 2  miles outside the little town of Sint
Anna Parochie, and that's in the most northern part of the Netherlands.
I am single (at this moment) and I've learned that that saves allot of time
to other things;-)

I work for Johnson Controls a American company, and our branch make controls
for air-condition and large cooling buildings. I work for them for about 12
years now.
My work is in Leeuwarden and that's about 20 minutes from my house.

I am doing this hobby together with my dad. Presently we have 21 engines,
and 4 tractors. Sharing the hobby also means that you can do some "extra"
and we also talk allot about some problems we encounter when restoring old
It's also much easier to drag the heavy iron around the house, or from the
shop into the shed.
Last year and this year I went to visit George Best in Oregon, as he invited
me to come over and see some (lots) collections and go to  some shows in the
I sure had a great time, and I've seen more rare engines in those couple of
weeks than I had in my entire life!!!
I've been on the SEL for about 3 years now, and I've sure learned allot and
met allot of you last year at the west coast shows, and this year at

I am subscribed to two tractor/ engine clubs in Holland and we have allot of
shows here in Holland. I'm also subscribed to GEM, and SEM.
Hope to meet more of you guys in the future!

Harry Terpstra
Sint Anna Parochie





Nick Lozzi (Picture)

I'll be 21 on 3-21-02.  Work as a toolmaker for ZygoTeraOptix in Westboro,
MA.  I own a Bridgeport miller, 10" SB lathe and a very big Hendy lathe with
which to do all my engine repairs.  Been collecting engines and tractors
since I was very little.  My first engine is a 7hp SAXON on drop center cart
w/ saw given to me by the original owner.  Since then I decided to stick
mostly with Fuller & Johnson engines, of which currently I own 15 examples
ranging from a 1904 oil cooled to a 1931 model AH plus several other rare
and exotic models.  I also maintain a large website dedicated to the Fuller
& Johnson company.  I'm a student at CCRI in Warwick, RI studying
manufacturing Tech and eventually earning a masters in Mechanical
Engineering.  Someday I hope to open my own machine shop.  Other hobbies
include building scale models of Axis WWII fighters and building scale model
engines.  I also have a 4yr old Collie dog named Belle.  She provides a lot
of entertainment and I'm working on training her to sniff out old iron. :)


Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web!





John Culp (Picture)



OK, here's another long one:

I'm a mere kid of 45 (at least until November 11, the day after Evil
Dave's birthday). Jane and I have been married for 23 years. We have
two children, Jennifer (who turns 16 November 1), and Joe who's
13-1/2. I'm kind of busy right now keeping teenage boys in fear,
uncertainty and doubt. I'm a family doctor, employed full-time as an
associate professor of Family Medicine by the James H. Quillen
College of Medicine, East Tennessee State University. I'm based in
the Family Practice residency program in Bristol, Tennessee, mostly
teaching and supervising resident physicians and medical students.

My Dad was a university president who came up from a background as a
poor farm boy in Alabama. He used to plow with mules, worked as a
part time blacksmith, and built his own sawmill at about age 9 with a
junk Model T engine that he rebuilt. He taught me what little I know
about mechanical work, and I wish I'd paid better attention when I
was a kid! His family (like many in the South) could never afford
things like farm engines and tractors, and he used to tell me how
much he wished he could have an engine on the farm. He was
particularly fond of Hercules and Witte engines. I had a hard time
visualizing what he was talking about until he spied an old 5 HP
Majestic being used as a yard decoration and took me to see it. Well,
I thought that was awesome! We tried to buy it, but the fellow was
uninterested and as far as I know kept it till he died and then it
disappeared. I went with Pop on a business trip out West, helping
drive when I was 16. We came across oil wells with gas engine driven
pumps, mostly powered by what I now know were Fairbanks-Morse ZC
208s. We stopped several times to watch them run, and I was smitten.
On the way back we found an oilfield equipment repair shop in Carmi,
Illinois, and my dad made a deal to purchase a worn-out but runnable
Fairbanks-Morse ZC 52, which we later went back to bring home. That
was in 1972. I still have that engine, now sitting on a homemade cart
in my front yard. A few years later Pop bought me the 3 HP ignitor
IHC M that's now on a reproduction cart in the basement. I've worked
on those engines quite a bit, but the only ones that I've gotten
running after being found out of commission are a 3-5 HP IHC LB that
I tripped over in honeysuckles while squirrel hunting in Alabama
(that one was quite a challenge), a now purple and flowered Maytag
named Margaret who emigrated to England (Jennifer did the decorating)
and a Homelite 28 VDC 2-stroke "Smokey Joe" generator from a WWII M3
tank. I also have 3 other Maytags, a couple of which my kids have
decorated and named ("Dave" and "Penelope.") Oh, and a Coldwell Cub
lawnmower engine from the '30s. But my favorite engine of all isn't
really an antique. She's a 1999 LG brand 6/1 Diesel, a close replica
of a Lister 6/1 Diesel built by the G.G. Automotive Gear Co., Ltd. of
Mumbai, India. Dolly is her name, principally in honor of the Flame
Mistress of the List, but also could allude to another famous clone.

I've ridden motorcycles for over 30 years, and currently have my
"new" Harley, a 1985 FLTC Tour Glide Classic that I've owned since
new. (At that time I bought it at a huge discount, it having sat on a
dealer's showroom floor for nearly a year. Harleys weren't generally
popular then.) A year and a half ago I went down sliding on a road
that was slick from shade and dampness, slid out of the slick spot
and was catapulted forward at twice my original speed as the tires
bit and flipped the sideways-sliding bike forward. I tumbled, and my
right arm was raised up behind my head and wrapped tightly around my
back. I heard lots of cracking and crunching and thought "Boy! The
fiberglass fairing on the bike is really taking a beating!" (I'm SO
glad I thought it was that!) When I stopped tumbling on my left side
in the roadside grass, I caught a glimpse of my arm briefly extended
straight up against the lovely blue sky, then instead of flopping
over it telescoped down in a heap and slumped over, like a beanbag.
Uh-oh. It was the worst fracture of the humerus that the orthopedic
surgeons here had ever seen, and the residents going through the
orthopedic rotation all get shown my films. (They've also been used
as the focus of more than one trauma conference.) The splintered ball
end was replaced with a titanium prosthesis, the shards of the shaft
were wired back together, and miraculously the nerves in my arm
survived pretty much intact. After lots of P.T. my arm's quite
functional and I started learning guitar about a year after the
accident. I couldn't do anything with my gasoline engines for a long
time but could start Dolly one-handed as the compression release
allows speeding the flywheels up with the crank, then the fuel's
flipped on and the compression release disengaged and she fires right
up! (I could drag out the Maytags and kick-start them, too.) ;-)

I enjoy lots of other things including shooting, handloading, bullet
casting, tinkering with vacuum tube (valve) electronic devices like
old radios, TVs and amplifiers. I used to be a serious cyclist (the
pedalling kind), but haven't done that since my motorcycle crash.
I've taught myself to play (somewhat, anyway) several musical
instruments like the lap dulcimer, Strumstick, recorders and gusli.
I'm taking lessons for the guitar, which is a lot more complex and a
rather ambitious undertaking for a 45 year old, but I'm having fun.
Right now I'm mainly playing acoustic blues with slide. My
mother-in-law just died this past Sunday, ending a long struggle with
cancer. A little while ago I took my resonator guitar and played
"Amazing Grace" for her, Delta blues style. It was the first time I'd
played for an audience, and I was really nervous, but it cheered her
up. If you've ever gotten a tear in your eye and a catch in your
throat while listening to or singing "The Little Drummer Boy," you
have an idea how I felt playing for my dying mother-in-law. Playing
music for someone, to me, is about as intimate a gift as you can

I've had some old cars in the past including a 1940 Ford 4-door
Deluxe that I drove as my main car through medical school, a 1954
Jaguar XK-120 drophead, a 1962 Buick Special convertible, and I'll
throw in here the 1963 Harley Panhead that I restored from a real
junk heap. I sold them all when I bought my new Harley, as I just
didn't have the time to keep them all going. I'm pretty much back in
that boat again now! Too many interests, too many obligations, not
enough time.

I'm a Christian. As Paul Maples said of himself, I'm a long way from
perfect, but my faith is very important to me. I came to it late, and
in a way that made a dramatic impact on me. You can read my story at
<>. I'm active in my
church, the Central Christian Church of Bristol, Tennessee.

I've really enjoyed getting to know many good friends on this List,
many of whom I've never seen face to face. I've been to Portland 3
times now. I enjoy seeing the engines, but the reason I go is to see
List members in person. I enjoy BS-ing with you all, and I am very
grateful for the kind words, prayers and support that many of you
have provided during hard times for myself and my family. I don't
know of a nicer, more neighborly bunch of folks anywhere! :-)


"I thank my God every time I remember you."

         Phillippians 1:3 (NIV)

John S. Culp, M.D.
Bristol, Tennessee, U.S.A.







John Hammink (Picture)


I am John Hammink, just 60 years old and will be retired within
3 months from now. I am married to my wife Ria for 36 years
(next Dec) and we have a daughter 35 yrs and a son 32 yrs.
We called them yuppies cause they only are carrier makers.
But there's a star shining soon, my daugther will give birth to
our first grandchild (Dec), so I become a granddad endly :o)
Have already a Lister D in stock for her or him to play with.

We live in the North-West just 5 miles from the sea shore in
the middle of 6250 acres of flowerbulbs which grow in all va-
rieties and there're at least 450 different sorts of tulips.

I am working in a John Deere dealership for 38 years now
(Nov) and our sales are one of the biggest in the country,
due the rich flowerbulb growers here. For example 2 acres
have a worth $40.000 to $48.000.

My interest in stationary engines game in 1989 when a friend
took me to a vintage tractor trader and I met my first 3hp M.
Sinds then I was in love with them, now I own two 3hp M's,
two 6hp M's and a 1hp M, a LA pig, a 5hp Petter, a Lister
D and my latest toy a 3hp Hofherr-Schrantz-Clayton-Shuttle
worth side shaft engine. Than I have some mills, a McCormick
feedgrinder, a English Bamford mill, a cute roller mill and a
Brons compressor.

My dream is ones to own a 10 horse M or a fine Mogul SS
engine (could anybody tell me the lucky numbers of the lottery)
My wife and I attend alot of engine shows, even across the
border, like Germany, Belgium and England (where you stumble
over the listmembers) :o)
Ria is my help and trailermachinist, she opperates the winch,
while I lead the engines over the ramps. Learned her what to do
when the engines are spinning and I am gone for a chat or to
have a better look at an enginewomen, yes I am gratefully with
a wife like her.

About the list, I like it very much to read all those questions and
needs and when I think I could help, I don't hesitate to do so.
On the other hand I have the attention to fool someone when the
text goes in a certain direction, I knew my English isn't gramma-
tical right but at these moments I got ideas at ones and want to
replay some jokes. Now I became an oldery man, I try to be-
have myself :o)
Thought enough for sofar, always willing to answer questions.

My Granny always said:
Better feel the spark in your elbows, than be day-dreaming
behind the windows.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
# Home of the IHC engines #



Joe Kelley

Hi Fellow Old Iron Collectors,
        I don't think I can top Arnies bio as my boots aren't high
enough!!!,  but here goes..... I have been into old iron for about 12
years having been introduced to it from attending antique car shows and
        My son Joey was about 6 at the time and had a keen interest in
the "old engines". We got one, then another, well you know the drill. I
have always wanted to put together a complete collection of one
particular manufacturer, but haven't been able to. I have an assortment
of different engines. Some small steam engines, 2 large tractors and 2
small tractors. Joey has a collection of various Briggs engines and his
interests now are more motor vehicle/motorcycle related. Other interests
are in the antique car and motorcycle area as well as model railroading.
        I am currently the President of Maine Antique Power Association
and have been for 8 years, my wife currently serves as Treasurer, Joey is
the Web master. We are all involved in it. We do shows in Maine and New
England and Canada. The furthest we have traveled is to Milton Ontario
and to Coolsprings and Delmont, PA. Our hope is to get to Kinzers and
Portland and some of the big shows in the future out west.
        I have met some nice people in this hobby and support my habit by
selling, trading, and selling gasket material and Kwik Poly. We have been
married 26 years and I sell products for Chesterton all over the State of
        Sometimes the hobby gets a little overwhelming with the amount of
activity I get involved with, I keep saying I will have to back off a
little, but the addiction  keeps me going....The list has been a great
source of information and friendships. Thanks for reading and good luck
to everyone in your restoration projects... Joe Kelley
Kelley's Elderly Engines...  your source for Kwik Poly Epoxy gas tank
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Skip Landis


hi, i'm skip landis. i'm 57, been into old iron since 64. my first engine was a 5
horse new holland saw rig which cost me $50.00 , near a weeks wage. wish i had it
now. i currently have about 50 engines ranging from 1 to 18 hp. the 18 hp badger
is being purchased by another list member. i have owned a vertical foos
scientific, a titan sideshaft, a 4hp ported domestic sideshaft, several new
hollands, & a lot more. you young fellows, if you are buying & selling or
trading, keep a regester of everything you get. it will be interesting to you
when you get older. i live in somers montana, am a native pennsylvanian. i taught
machine shop at carlisle for twelve years, best most satisfying job i ever
had,----- for ten years. at 49 we moved to montana [to start over] have never
looked back. this is a hobby to me, but i do buy & sell some parts & engines.
also make some repro parts. there is some iron to be found around here, seems to
be strong in fairbanks & ihc. i have had given to me a 10 horse famous, a 1 3/4
stickney, & a couple others. we have a very interesting scrap yard which has
supplied a few more. i currently know of a 4 horse osborn famous & a 10 horse "M"
neither of which are for sale. that is frustrating. theyre sitting out in the
weather. maybe one day. that's enough about me.        NEXT!




Frank DeWitt



Frank DeWitt  53  married to a great lady named Doris for 33 years. Son
26,  Daughter 29,  Daughter in law 26 and a grand daughter 6 mts.  (Want to
see a pix?)

I discovered old engines on a summer vacation about 20 yrs ago.  My son and
I have been going to shows ever since. About 18 years ago a friend gave me
a stuck Kohler light plant with a bad radiator.  I fixed it and have been
taking it to shows ever since.  I would like more engines but I seem to
have to many places for the money.

For the last 9 years I have run my own full time business as a mechanical
designer. (Optical mounting, machine design, fixture design, plastic parts
(injection, and blow molded))  You get the idea, "Yes, we can do
that."  Before that, I managed a Mechanical design shop at a local optical
co. and before that, the design shop at the University of Rochester Laser Lab.

I live and work on 13 acres of land in a home I designed and general
contracted.  I just bought an old Farmall tractor to help maintain the
place so I have joined the FATGs

I am a Christian and enjoy a lot of fun at church.  Although I can't sing a
note I have joined the worship teem running the sound board.  They are all
young people and are a lot of fun to work with.






Larry Evans



Well......I guess it's time for the lower left hand corner of the USA to
speak up.  I also am a long time list member but usually stay in the
lurking mode.  It seems most of the questions get answered by the time we
wake up here on the west coast.  I'm 65 years old and am still happily
single.  I recently retired from a 40 year career in medical x-ray
technology.  Like many others in this list I've had a variety of hobbies
over the years including SCUBA diving (taught it for about ten years),
photography, hiking, etc., etc.  I still ride my bicycle 15 to 30 miles
three or four times a week for exercise and recreation.

I grew up in a family of four boys and we were always fiddling around with
mechanical things.  Our interest in such things probably came from my
father's father.  He was an old time dirt track race driver......never made
it to the big time but did race with some who did such as Barney Oldfield
and Ralph DePalma.  He used a Model T Ford chassis with a racing body on
it.  My father said that he timed him at over 100 mph on one of the dry
lake beds here in California.  When the Model A Ford arrived on the scene
my grandfather designed and sold a line of speed equipment including the
"Pop Evans Turbulence A Head", domed pistons to increase the compression
ratio and a custom camshaft.

My interest in old iron started in 1983 a little while after someone gave
my younger brother Ken who is an electronics engineer at the Jet Propulsion
Lab a Bates & Edmonds Bull Dog that needed lots of work to get it
going.  He did get it to run but still hasn't finished the project because
of all other things that have come along.  Most of the engines I'm involved
with actually belong to my brother. Since he stores them at my house I get
to handle the care and feeding of them.  We have no really exotic engines
but do show an Australian made Ruston & Hornsby SPB 3 hp, a Japanese 4 hp
Kubota flywheel engine, a 3 and a 5 hp Fairbanks Morse Z, an Aermotor 8
cycle. The Aermotor is fitted with a wooden bodied pump that Ken made that
has a Plexiglas front plate so the valve action is visible.  This always
draws a lot of attention when we show it.  Another unusual engine is the
Western Machinery Company combination air compressor/gas engine mounted on
a dedicated trailer.  This was originally sold as an accessory to a very
large engine to supply the starting air.  We have quite a few engines that
are in close to running condition including a small air cooled Galloway, a
1 1/2 hp FM headless, a Novo, an International Harvester Tom Thumb.  The
next project is most likely the International M understrike 1 1/2 with the
Ford model T carburetor.  If I were to move enough things out of the way I
could probably find the Ideal, a Monarch, an air cooled United and probably
a couple more that are now hidden.

The last couple of years both of us have been involved with a volunteer
group made up mainly of retired JPL engineers that is helping out with
several projects at the Mt. Wilson Observatory.  Through this group I have
been privileged to help out with maintenance on both the 100 inch and the
60 inch telescopes including removing and reinstalling the mirrors for
re-aluminizing.  Real interesting projects.  Of course there was an
ulterior motive in getting involved with this group since it opened the
door for us (along with our friend Mike Jones) to refurbish the 1911 50 hp.
Fairbanks Morse type RE that is still up there.  It was used for many years
to supply the electricity for the observatory.  It is now running and I
would be glad to arrange a demonstration if you ever find yourself in the
Los Angeles area with a little spare time.

I don't have a home page but I do have quite a few pictures on my
PhotoPoint site (link in my signature line) of both the Mt. Wilson projects
and engine and also various engines and shows here in California.
Larry Evans
Arcadia, Southern California, USA
Mt. Wilson and other engine pictures at:


Arnie Fero   (Picture)



I'm Arnie Fero (aka Novoboy aka Dave Rotigel's Evil Twin and/or Partner in
Crime) born and raised around Pittsburgh, PA.

I'm 55, married to my first wife (good description, keeps 'em on their
toes) Nancy for 33 years, and have two daughters, 27 and 25.  Currently
live on three acres out in farm country east of Pittsburgh.  Before
getting into engines I tended ~25 apple trees on the property.  Now
they're mostly neglected.  There's a 30' x 30' two story detached
garage/engine shed that I'm forced to share with friend spouse's car in

My "day job" is working for Westinghouse Nuclear Services as a nuclear
engineer specializing in radiation analysis of commercial nuclear power
plants.  Enroute to that position I worked as an apprentice machinist at
the Gary Works of United States Steel, earned a BS in mechanical
engineering from the University of Pittsburgh, an MS in nuclear
engineering from Carnegie Mellon University, and most importantly, am a
graduate of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics
( ).

I started with Westinghouse at the Astronuclear Laboratory in 1966 working
on the NERVA nuclear rocket program (intended to provide propulsion for
trips to Mars and Earth/Moon shuttle missions).  In 1972 I moved to the
commercial nuke side of the house.  The "day job" is really fun having
taken me to 43 states, 15 foreign countries, and a few US patents.

I've always had a mechanical bent (inherited from machinist/inventor
father and grandfather) taking things apart about the same time I started
to  walk.  As long as I can remember there was always some "project" in
the works.  I don't recall when I saw my first hit & miss engine, but it
was love at first  sight (or hearing).  I saw them at various fairs over
the years and finally decided I needed one of my own.  For years I
attended auctions where the engines were always out of reach.  At one
auction I ran across Gas Engine Magazine and got a subscription.  The
first issue to arrive had an article on the Stationary Engine List
gathering at Coolspring and gave the instructions for signing up which I
did.  After lurking for a few weeks, I posted looking for advice on
getting my first engine.  Dave Rotigel sent me a response that lead to an
invite to his place to see his collection and meet the family.  That was
back in 1995 or 1996.  We've been close friends and engine buddies ever
since and have shared some awesome times; everything from helping
disassemble the Tod steam engine to watching a front wheel fly off the
truck at 70 mph returning from Portland.

My current collection includes the following running engines:  3-4 hp
Lorenz, 5 hp Petter "M", 4 hp headless Witte, 3 hp Novo "S", 8 hp Novo
Rollr pump outfit, 6 hp Sandwich buzz saw rig, and a Delco light plant.
This weekend I hope to add the 10 hp Bessemer half-breed to the "running"

On the "projects list" are a number of water pumps, a compressor, 1-1/2 hp
IHC "M", 3-1/2 hp United T/G kero, 3 hp C.H.E. mudpump outfit, 4 hp Leader
with triplex water pump, 5 hp Lister CS, 2 hp Bessemer and 6 hp Detroit
vertical two strokes, and a 4 hp Robertsonville.  Also on the projects
list are few old Briggs, a British J.A.P., a Petter "A" kero, and a
Homelite Genset (all air-cooled engines).  I'm still looking for my first
Maytag.  I think I fancy one with a short coal miner's pick installed
rather than the more common axe.

Now a bit about me personally.  I am a dynamic figure, often seen scaling
walls and crushing ice.  I have been known to remodel train stations on my
lunch breaks, making them more efficient in the area of heat retention.  I
translate ethnic slurs for Cuban refugees, I write award-winning operas, I
manage time efficiently.  Occasionally, I tread water for three days in a
row.  I woo women with my sensuous and godlike trombone playing, I can
pilot bicycles up severe inclines with unflagging speed, and I cook
Thirty-Minute Brownies in twenty minutes.  I am an expert in stucco, a
veteran in love, and an outlaw in Peru.
Using only a hoe and a large glass of water, I once single-handedly
defended a small village in the Amazon Basin from a horde of ferocious
army ants.  I play bluegrass cello, I was scouted by the Mets, I am the
subject of numerous documentaries.  When I'm bored, I build large
suspension bridges in my yard.  I enjoy urban hang gliding.  On
Wednesdays, after work, I repair electrical appliances free of charge.
I am an abstract artist, a concrete analyst, and a ruthless bookie.
Critics worldwide swoon over my original line of corduroy evening wear.  I
don't perspire.  I am a private citizen, yet I receive fan mail.  I have
been caller number nine and have won the weekend passes.
Last summer I toured New Jersey with a traveling centrifugal-force
demonstration.  I bat 0.400.  My deft floral arrangements have earned me
fame in international botany circles.  Children trust me.
I can hurl squash rackets at small objects with deadly accuracy.  I once
read Paradise Lost, Moby Dick, and David Copperfield in one day and still
had time to refurbish an entire dining room that evening.  I know the
exact location of every food item in the supermarket.  I have performed
several covert operations for the CIA.
I sleep once a week; when I do sleep, I sleep in a chair.  While on
vacation in Canada, I successfully negotiated with a group of terrorists
who had seized a small bakery.  The laws of physics do not apply to me.
I balance, I weave, I dodge, I frolic, and my bills are all paid.  On
weekends, to let off steam, I participate in full-contact origami.  Years
ago I discovered the meaning of life but forgot to write it down.  I have
made extraordinary four course meals using only a mouli and a toaster
oven.  I breed prizewinning clams.  I have won bullfights in San Juan,
cliff-diving competitions in Sri Lanka, and spelling bees at the Kremlin.
I have played Hamlet, I have performed open-heart surgery, and I have been
with Elvis.  I have been linked with the Neo-Druid Dead Puppy Cult.

But enough about me...  Let's hear from YOU next.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA



Russell Gilbert


My name is Russell Gilbert. born 31/8/65 (36) For the Aussie folk - No Im
not the dill on TV but then again a few people think I may as well be.  Im
not married to my first wife! But now I am very lucky to be with Carmel, My
partner of nearly 8 years. We have a little girl Chana who is our pride and
joy. Many of you have seen her in some of the pictures Ive posted over the
time and also on the 200 womens Calender. We have a nice place on 1 acre
just 12 kilometers out of Mildura.  I grew up with a family obsessed with
collecting and plenty has rubbed of on me. I am a bit of a rev head at
heart but with the slight bit of maturity that is finally comming my way I
found a greater appreciation for the older slower engines over the petrol
sucking V8's etc.  I got into this hobby more so by chance when I went with
Carmel to a garage sale and found this old wooden trolly. It now has my 5hp
S type Petter on it and my engine collection has grown ever since.
Recently I started working for myself as the Caterer at the Mildura RSL
club and we (my partner) are also getting into the outside catering market
as well.  My work takes priority over my hobby (BUGGER) and its is not
allowing me much time at the moment to play in the shed. When I have the
time to I pack as much in to restoration as I can, I am currently working
on my 7hp Hornsby petrol engine. I have a slight adiction for old
garagenalia and Carmel loves to collect cream and green graniteware (enamel
Kitchen ware)  Our daughter has the collecting bug also with no thanks to
grandma! Chana has about 35 barbie dolls!

I love the list, it allows to wind down a little when I get home from work.
And  I look forward to the time when I can get out and about some more and
faces to the names of the great people on the SEL.

I'm not sure what the magical figure would be to say one has enough
engines. Let me say my next project is to build another shed next to the
one I already have.


Russell Gilbert
Sunny Mildura Australia
Check out Russell's Relica at:



  Duncan Denman  (Picture)


Hi Folks,

Now our life is no where near as exciting as Arnie's!
We have been on the list for about three years so some of you will know
us and
have met us.
I am Duncan, 38 years, old and am married to Sandy, 26 years old. We
were both
born in Ontario, Canada and currently live near the very small town of
We live in a old renovated school house which was built in 1902.
We live here with our four pet bunnies named Puff, Sprout, Patch, and
Rose as
well as assorted squirrels, chipmunks, and a large variety of birds
I grew up around antiques as my father has antique cars, radios,
gramaphones, and
tons of other stuff. We got our first gas engine, the Gilson, when I was
about 14
years old. The first car I ever drove was a 1918 Gray Dort. :-)
I attended the shows faithfully untill I was in my early twenties then
got busy
with other things like Harleys and girls! Eventually I got back into old
had never really left, and started buying more stuff.
I went to college and managed service stations for Petro Canada for
about twelve
years then got into factory work. I was working for a furniture company
last week when that ended and now am looking for a job again!
Sandy is an instructional designer for a large insurance company and
internet based training as well as primary servor maintenance and
teaches various
computer software classes. Our lates good news of course is that we are
our first child which will be arriving in early May.
Currently I have several engines. A 1918 Type 1 Massey Harris 2 HP, a 3
Fairbanks Morse Z, a 6 HP Fairbanks Morse Z, a 1 3/4 HP Ontario Wind
(Nelson Brothers) and a 1 1/2 London vertical. In addition, my father
has a
Gilson, a 1 1/2 HP Fairbanks Morse Z, an International LB, a Johnson
Iron Horse
and a Canadian Beaver marine engine.
I am also currently negociating on a Gray, a Gilson, a type 2 Massey, a
and a couple other projects.
I am also the owner of a 1946 John Deere Unstyled AR tractor and other
smaller antiques. Not the biggest collection but it will grow slowly but
as I can afford to.
Sandy and I really enjoy the list and the diversity we find here. We
everyone our extended family. Looking forward to many more years of fun.

Duncan and Sandy

Duncan and Sandy Denman
Ayton, Ontario, Canada
Visit our Home Page at:
Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry





John Cullom (Picture)

      I'm John Cullom, & I live in Westminster, Maryland, with my wife
Bonnie & our 8 year old adopted daughter Emma. I got started in this hobby
back in the early '90's when I restored my great-grandfather's Galloway
sawrig. It was somewhere around then that I discovered this list & all the
great folks on it. It's been my extended family ever since. I may not make
very many posts, but I read each & every one that's sent. After I finished
working on the sawrig, I decided to concentrate on the Galloway line,
collecting several engines, a bunch of original literature, & putting up a
website about Galloways. It's at
     Even though we only live on about a third of an acre here, it's out in
the country where it's nice & quiet. I sort of grew up on my grandfather's
farm when I was a kid, spending every summer there when school was out. My
normal spot was to be perched on the fender mounted tool box of his Allis
Chalmers WD tractor while he drove. That tractor is now in my garage
awaiting restoration.
     I've been employed by the Baltimore County Fire Department since 1978,
where I am now a captain. I hope to retire in 7 more years so I can play
with my engines full time. I still enjoy the job, though the events of the
past month have caused a few changes. Many of my fellow firefighters & I
went to New York last Monday to attend one of many funerals we'll be going
to for our brothers there. After the service we went to the collapse site to
pay our respects, as there are about 260 firemen still entombed under the
rubble, as well as untold thousands of other victims.....

     This thread of introductions was a great idea. I think it helps put a
little more personality to the list.



Bryan Boyce


My name is Bryan Boyce, I'm 15, and I live in Texarkana (The Town That
Dreaded Sundown for the movie lovers) Arkansas. I have been into old iron for
about a year,,,but feels like forever. My dad got into it about 15 years
ago,,,then he managed to forget about it,,,he bought and restored 3,,and had
3 more that needed restoration, The restored were a 6 hp Hercules XK, an LA,
and a Fairmont Railcar engine, the other 3 were a Fuller and Johnson Pump
engine, a Fairbanks Morse # hp ZC, and a 1 3/4 Herc XK...We also have a 1950
Farmall C,,,I got the old C running one day and decided to pull the old
engines out too,,,and it has gone from there...We have a pretty good
collection of junk,,,but I have so many projects now, it would be hard to
call me sane!!,,,right now I'm working on a 1919    1 1/2 Economy, and a 6
horse IHC M,,,which was given to me by a neighbor,,,

I also play bass guitar, hunt, and other outside stuff,,,

Keep 'em runnin smooth...




Tom Bellar



I am Tom Bellar and a semi-lurker. I live in SW, Ohio just east of Cincinnati with my wife Mary on a 155 acre farm where we raise corn, soybeans, wheat, hay, a few head of cattle. Additionaly, we have a Border Collie "Matt", two peafowl called Hitt and Missy and a barn full of cats. I am 64 years old and retired from the US EPA where I was employed as a research analytical chemist for 33 years. I developed methods for the analysis of organic pollutants in air and water and taught short courses for the American Chemical Society.
As a youngster I always enjoyed working with old engines and had more than my share of motor bikes and motor cycles including Motor Wheel, Wizzer, Travis, Jack & Heinz and Harley Davidson. When I was a teenager I spent several weeks at a friends house in the country near Oil City, Pa. and fell in love with the sound of the big pumping engines echoing across the hills. I hope to have a 12 or 15 HP Reid one day. After I retired in 1992 I repainted a 1936 JD "B" that I purchased for nostalgic purposes in the mid-sixteys (just to hear the two banger pop) and caught the restoration disease. I have purchased several bushel basket engines from friends, auctions and trade shows. With the help of the List, local friends and the kind folks at Hit & Miss I now have a 3 HP Novo "S", 3 HP Economy "E", 3 HP Herc, 6 HP McD "M"and a 1.5 HP IHC "M" in show condition. I am currently working on (playing with?) a single cylinder Waukesha fuel research engine commonly called a knock en! gine. It runs, but will require a lot of help before it can be shown. My wife and I enjoy attending engine shows especially Portland. As yet we do not have a way to easly move my engines and our responsibility to our animals require attendance each day so we have not displayed my engines at any shows. Perhaps this will change in the future.




Tim Christoff (Picture)




I am Tim Christoff.  38 years old and still married to my first wife (don't
plan on finding another, one is enough) of 10 years.  My current
occupation(s) -  Barn builder, I build about 12 to 15 a year, just finished
one yesterday that is 76 by 96 with a 15 foot ceiling height.  I also sell
real estate.  Some of my past jobs have been -

Professional Student - I have two degrees from the University of Kansas, one
in Business and one in English.

Professional Photographer - I did this while in college and for about 10
years after, only part time though.

I worked for Corporate Walmart right out of College, great pay but the hours
really sucked (more than 70 a week and that was every week).  About the only
good thing that came from that job was meeting my wife.  She was one of my

I have also done some teaching of English but that doesn't seem to pay very

I have found that self employment is far better than working for anyone else
no matter how much they will pay you but building barns does pay good.

I am also on the Board of Governors at the Agricultural Hall of Fame and
Museum of Farming but that is more of an appointment rather than a job.

I have resided in the state of Kansas for the last 34 years and own a 100
year old farmhouse with 40 acres of ground. 

I have been into tractors (though have none right now) most of my life and
tried to get into gas engines at the age of 10.  I found a Gilson "runs like
60" for $60 that was running but was told to spend my money on something that
was worth something.  I will never let my father forget that wonderful piece
of advice.  It was 1990 before I gave up the tractors (sold them) and started
buying engines.
Currently, I am down to only 15 Flywheel engines (7 of which are New Way's)
and one Maytag Twin Motor (which is on the chopping block to become a 4
stroke with the possibility of having a blower attached and ran on high
octane fuel).  This is the first time I have publicly admitted to owning a
maytag motor though but, one the bright side, it currently doesn't run and
one twin cyl steam engine with boiler.  In the last 3 years I have started
machining model engines in my spare time (that doesn't amount to much time

For those of you who hate Cats, I have 17 of them and all WILL die of natural
causes not inflected by humans.

That should be enough to bore you all to death so I shall stop.  Please
applause now.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Ks





Ron Frost



66 years ago last July, I was hatched in south
western New York state and was raised up a valley with
a dirt road on a farm. At the upper property line,
mother nature drew a line across the valley, and the
owners there were rich with oil. Pennsylvania crude.
On our side of the line there wasn't even a smell of
oil unless they let the receiver tanks run over and it
would come down the creek.
This was depression time and we ate what we could
raise and grow. We didn't go hungry but there wasn't
any extra either.
During the day, my dad worked for the neighbor on the
oil lease as a pumper and ran the Bessemer engines
that pumped the wells. At night, you could here the
old girls running, as they put a barker on them. A
barker is an exhaust stack of 6 or 8" pipe out through
the wall and by making them longer or shorter, the
sound would be different. By listening to them, you
could tell if the wells had pumped off by the uneven
load as the bull wheel pulled the surface rods to the
So I guess you could say I've always been close the
the  old stationary engines.
23 years later, I completed college at Alfred State
Tech and went out to do my thing in the big, wide
world.                   After 13 years with Dresser
Clark in Olean, NY as an engineer, I went with
Ingersoll Rand and moved to Janesville, WI as a field
service engineer. With this job I covered the United
States and then some.
9 Years ago, I had had enough travel, air planes,
motels, and restaurants and took a job with Osram
Sylvania in St Marys, PA as their plant maintenance
foreman, where I still hang my hat 6,7, or 8 days a
Enough of that.
  In 1971, I bought a Sattley (Montgomery-Ward) 1-1/2
HP solid flywheel hit and miss engine. It ran but
never was restored.  When I moved to Wisconsin it went
with us but never was home enough to do much with it
and it stayed there at my sons until 2 years ago when
I brought it back to Pennsylvania and did some minor
work and cleanup to it. I'm presently building a cart
for it including the spoked wheels. What a project
that is.
  For the past 3-4 years, I have had the opportunity
to attend several tractor and engine shows including
  Two years ago I joined the Stationary Engine List
and have enjoyed every minute of it. Some great people
In addition to the old engines I also am now into
antique garden tractors, with a LayTrac JR crawler, a
Farmette two wheeler, a Bantam 3000 three wheeler, and
a Bolens Ride-A-Matic four wheeler.
Hope to retire next summer then I will be able to
enjoy the fasinating hobby of old iron.
Oh, I also build working model engines and tractors.
Steam, and gas.

Well this should be enough to bore everyone so I'll
Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
 Ron Frost
Kersey, PA





Stacy Leis

 my name is Stacy Leis  age 25, single I live in central Wisconsin USA in a
little town called Elroy. I have 15 gas Engines and 7 Maytag engines I was
born with Spina Bifida.  Other think I like to do is work on lawn mowers,
fishing  and watching football GO PACKERS!!!


Mick DeMaria


Hi All I guess It's my turn :

    My name is Mick I'm 52 and I too am a rustahoulic. (that was hard
after being in denial for so long :)  I have worked as an electronics
tech and service manager here in central CT for the past 30yrs. I now
own and operate a small consumer electronics repair shop in what you
might call involuntary semi-retirement. But not to worry for I will soon
have my certificate from Bob's Skool then its on to big steaks and
Cadillacs. No more Dodge Caravans for me!

    I'm not really an "Engine Man" but more a collector of anything old
that is either electrical or mechanical. I have had this fascination
with taking things apart to see how they work since about age 3 when I
stuck a paper clip in an ac outlet. Musta shorted some brain cells at an
early age.

   One of my first engines was a Clinton A-400 two stroke I purchased
from an ad in the back of Popular Mechanics magazine at around age 10
with money from paper route. I mounted it on an old 3 speed bicycle and
had my own homemade whizzer of sorts. I went on to a procession of
mostly dirt and a few street bikes. I have always had an assortment of
old mowers, chain saws, snow blowers, whatever hanging around. I can
seldom leave the dump (transfer station as its now called) without some
piece of good stuff that someone threw out.

   I found the list in 1998 when I decided to restore an old Delco I had
out back. With the help of you guys on the list I was able to find parts
and get it running. I have collected a few 32 volt light plants and
accessories. Since then I have taken to attending shows and now
displaying my treasures.
I would like to build a WebSite and owners registry dedicated to Delco
Plants but I doubt if there's enough interest.

   Well that's my 2 cents

I hope to get out to Cool Springs and Portland someday to meet some of
you guys.

    Forgot to mention one and only wife Barbara of 32yrs this Dec.
She works as a remote sales rep for an electronics equipment company
selling test equipment, panel meters and calibration. She tolerates my
engine "nonsense" and hours I spend in the shed when I should be
painting the house or doing some other nonproductive labor. She seems to
be taking a liking to the shows. In fact she often asks "isn't there a
show this weekend?" and ha promised to make Steamed Cheesebugers (a CT
specialty) for listmembers if we ever get to Coolsprings.

Mick DeMaria
Rockfall, Connecticut
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Larry Sain (Picture)

Looks as though today is the day the younger engine guys are introducing
themselves so I guess it's my time!
I'm Larry Sain from Cat Square, North Carolina.  Began my life's journey
here and intend to end it here, but not soon I hope.  I'm 55 yr.. old and
married to soulmate Beth for 33 years.  Two sons, Andy, 23, and Jason, 19.
Two great kids but just not into old iron except to say, "What's Dad bought
now?".  Also have 5 cats that keep me around for food and amusement.  Grew
up on a poultry farm and tinkered with any mechanical device I
could,especially lawn mowers and a 1930 Model A.  Applied to college on a
whim and found I enjoyed education.  Became a biology teacher in a nearby
town for 3 years but missed college life so went back for a few graduate
degrees.  BS, MA, MS, Ph.D., Postdoctoral Training in immunology and
toxicology.  Did research for a few years and finally realized I needed a
job which would provide retirement in case I got old.  Became a college
professor for 10 years, got the urge to go back to school and went for
physician assistant training at age 48.  I've been a PA for 5 years now and
became interested in old iron again when I repaired a finger which had been
crushed in the gears of a Bull Dog engine.  See Jan. 00, GEM for the whole
story.  This old engine stuff is as bad as any addiction I've seen in
medicine.  I have two Economys, 1 and 1/2 and a 5 HP, both E models.  7 HP
Witte, 1 & 1/2 Alpha DeLaval, 1 & 3/4 Associated Chore Boy, 1 & 1/2 IHC M,
20 HP Reid, 20 HP Bessemer and a Maytag which gives the illusion of running.
Just bought a 6 HP FM Z which is a basket case and needs everything.  Got it
for $75 but found out a carb will run 2 to 3 times what I paid for the
engine!!!  It may be decorative only.  I'm socially inept so I lurk on the
SEL most of the time, but it's my refuge from a stressful job and gives me a
lot of satisfaction.  I've enjoyed meeting many of you and hope to see more
of the list members at the shows.  Take care.


Kelly Reynolds (Picture)



    I think I am Kelly Reynolds??  I'm 31 years old, married to Barb (first
and last wife <can't afford another one>)   We have  2 kids.  Kimberly is 5
years old and in kindergarten.  Brian is 14 months old and is still pooping
in his pants!!!!  By the time you read this we will have a new kitten.   Kim
was dead set on having a kitten.  I would rather have a dead kitten.      I
have been employed with PPG Industries in Evansville, Indiana for nearly 4
years.  Our plant is a fabricating plant that makes both laminated
windshields and tempered sidelites, rear windows and sunroofs. (The only PPG
facility that forms both types of glass.)  One third of our business goes
over the pond to BMW, Mercedes & Renault.   The bad thing about my job is
the amount of overtime worked per year averages 400-500 hours per year which
takes quite a bit of the show weekends with it.

    I first got into the engines with the help of my grandparents.  My
step-grandpa (Ernie) got me hooked on the one lungers.  Ernie and grandma
used to attend a lot Steam and gas engine shows.  I have a lot of pics from
25 years ago at different shows.   My other grandpa is very much a tractor
guy.  He has restored many Fordson tractors over the years.   He is very
sharp when it comes to the various models and what year one was built.  Back
in 1983, my grandma was downsizing to move into an apartment.   We were
preparing for an auction,  I had a great-grandpa who saved every shred of
advertising he came across.  I claimed every one of those when going through
the stacks and stacks of papers, books, and files.   After a couple of years
I decided to sell off some of the literature in order to buy my first
engine.  I ended up buying my first engine in 1989.  It was a 2 hp Fairbanks
Morse dishpan engine.   I ended up selling it to acquire a 3 hp Jaeger
engine.  I am also a former President of the Southern Indiana Antique &
Machinery Club (SIAM).   I have no learned that the director stuff is for
the birds and it is a lot more fun just paying dues and helping as time

    Here we are several years later and I'm currently at 7 engines and 4
motors.  My current engines are:   1 3/4 hp Associated, 1 3/4 hp Economy  S,
1 1/2 McCormick Deering M, 1 1/2-2 1/2 LB International, 3 hp Novo S, 3 hp
Sattley, & a 6 hp Fairbanks Morse.   Among the motors are:  single Maytag,
WMB Briggs, Delco b-6 generator and a Lauson (Brian's Birthday engine).  My
dad and my uncle were able to purchase my Great-Grandpa's cross motor case
tractor several years ago.  My great-grandpa bought it and another new back
in 1918.  We even have the original tags along with the owners manuals  ( I
told he saved ever piece of lit.)

    Here lately I have been working on a big  Halloween outreach for our
church.  It's called TRUNK OR TREAT!  This is basically a car show geared
for kids.  I hope to post some pics next week.  So far I have quite a few
antique cars lined up to come and several vehicles that will be decorated.
Among the ones coming is a horse drawn hearse.  This old hearse is
beautifully restored and will even have 2 Clydesdales in front.  I hope to
even go for a ride on it!

Anyway enough about me, if this made it to the reading room then I'm sure
it's about time to flush, so Ta Ta For Now!!
Kelly Reynolds
Evansville, Indiana, USA



Joe Prinzinger


I am 54, a college professor, have two kids, and most importantily, am the
husband of Sheelin.

I live in Virginia right at the bottom of the Blue Ridge Mountains on 4
acres of land.  I am addicted to rusty metal and restore both stationary
engines and tractors.

I like Arnie have some superpowers.  I can see though glass walls, run at 65
MPH all day long stopping for gas only when the truck runs low on fuel, and
can fly by jumping off of tall objects like the second step out in front of
our house.




Jeff Jarman


Hi My name is Jeff Jarman I'm 41. I grew up on a farm in North East South
Dakota. I moved to Aberdeen in 1981. In 1983. I started working for a water
condoning company.  I had several tough years, went through a divorce,
two little girls. (With the help of my sister Sheila)  In this time I became
a Christian. I met my  wife Rhonda at a single parents event at the church I
was attending. In November 1986 we were married. She had two little
 girls also..August 1990 our son David was born.  January 1987 we purchased
 the water business that I had worked at.. We will celebrate our 15th
 anniversary this year. I'm new to the old engine hobby. I have one at the
     Thank You to all the list members that have been so kind and helpful
 with advice and suggestions. I thought I new allot about this kind of stuff
 but I found there is a lot to learn about how things were done in the
 Jeff Jarman
 Follow this link and go to ABOUT US for more infomation.

Art Lora

Hi list -
 My name is Art Lora from Salem, Ohio. I got into the old iron hobby about 7 years
ago.  My grandfather had left me an engine (3 hp Montgomery Ward Bulls Eye) which
I allowed to stay in the barn for over 20 years and only occasionally thought
about it, saying to myself, Some day I'm gonna take that out of the barn and do
something with it.  My sister had purchased the farm, sold it 20 years later,
which inspired me to move the engine at last.  I'm a heavy-equipment mechanic for
Ohio Machinery, Co., which is a Caterpillar dealer in Eastern Ohio.  I'm 54 years
old, working on my 6th or 7th engine in what little spare time I have.  Seems
like there's always something else to do.
I'm thankful to the Lord Jesus that I've been allowed to play in this hobby -
meet some interesting people, attend a few shows (Portland, this past year), with
our most recent engine (4 hp Bulls Eye).  Also glad for family with a good wife
and two kids that don't mind me spending some time in the shop.  Kids are both
grown, so they don't count anyway.  I guess I'm one of the evil lurkers, but I
don't check the posts everyday.  I hate to type, clutzy with the computer, and
when you read the posts late, there's no use replying when the thread is cold.
Anyway.  Thanks, bye for now.


Bruce Younger (Picture)

I'm 58, married to Paula (Duckems, a perfectly appropriate nickname) for 36
years.  We met in the bedroom of the girl next door, but that's another
story.  We have two kids.  Bob is a police officer in Fort Collins,
Colorado.  He's married to Michelle, who is a stay-at-home mom to our five
year old granddaughter.  Our daughter, Sarah, is married to Sean.  He's a
member of the IT staff at the University of Missouri and a part-time
student.  Sarah is a very full-time medical student at MU.  We live on of
an acre next to 20 acres of swampy woodland.  It used to be out in the
sticks, but the place has moved into the city in recent years.

I was born and raised in the Kansas City area.  In the final semester of my
senior year at the then Pittsburg State College, Pittsburg, KS, in 1966, my
friends and neighbors sent me greetings.  As someone else said, I joined up
to beat the system.  Yes, I'm a bit slow.  Spent boot camp at Fort Leonard
Wood, MO, AIT at Fort Devens, MA for a year learning the beginnings of
cryptology, as well as becoming proficient in "ditties" - then referred to
as international Morse Code.  Never used it, but was good at it.  Spent a
bit more than a year in RVN, then two more at Fort Carson, CO.  We moved
back to the Kansas City area in 1973, for a maximum of five years.  We're
still here.  For now.  The seven-day weekend comes in a bit less than five

I worked at the Phillips refinery in Kansas City  for nine years, until it
closed in '82, operating and doing lab work for the wastewater treatment
system.  For the next two years, we supported ourselves with Duckems'
sewing, and my woodworking on the craft show circuit.  Following a stint as
a wastewater treatment and water treatment operator in Yellowstone National
Park, I hired on with the City of Lenexa, KS to initiate and operate a wet
lab for the wastewater operations.  By the time I made it to superintendent
of the works, the county had taken over the function - the city kept me on
as a computer driver.  I ride herd on a number of databases, and do
geographic information systems and cartography for them.  I seem to spend a
lot of time supporting the PD, and am a volunteer with them.  I specialize
in writing tickets for those unqualified individuals who nonetheless park in
the disabled parking spots.

I have but one engine, as time, space, and money always seem spoken for
prior to hobby time.  My engine is the universally reviled F-M dishpan, a 2
HP dual-fuel example.  She rides on the original stamped steel skid, which
is bolted to the original truck.  I "think" it has its original paint, too. 
I also have a Myers pump; the object is to someday get the two on speaking
terms.  I'd like at least one more before I die, a hit and miss.  Doesn't
matter much which make or style, as long as it putts properly.  A nearby
farmer who passed away several years ago, had maybe 50 flywheel engines.  So
far, his heirs will not even discuss the matter 8-(.

I make a bit of sawdust from time to time, exercise the .45 left over from
pistol team days, and now and then break out the camera.  Oh, and once I
hauled a Foos, Mike Tucker's,  from Nebraska to Kansas City, just so I could
say I'd had an exotic in the truck.

I've had the good fortune and pleasure of meeting several list members,
including Ted and Jennifer Brookover, Calvin and Dixie Brookover, Tim
Christoff, Ray France, George Vaughan, Charley Bryant, and Mark Bookout. 
Without exception, each has been friendly and helpful.  Try to find that in
any other hobby!  The SEL has been such a fount of information and
entertainment.  It serves as a very welcome escape from the grind, and I
appreciate the list and all its members immensely.

Bruce Younger
Lenexa, KS, USA




Leroy Clark  (Picture)


    Yes "I" am a rustaholic.                My name is Leroy Clark, though we
look nothing like Arnie, he is still my hero. We will soon be 44 and am still
trainin the first wife of the last almost 24 years, am too old to trade her in
for a new model..... In the late 60's me and my father would attend an auction
almost every weekend and would bring home something to junk out. This included
many tractors, drove them home and then took them apart piece by piece. We bought
many grain drills and took them apart and cut the wood up for winter fuel. Many
plows, discs, and autos. We had owned over 30 "65 Tangs" and cut them all into
little little pieces. Bought a Dodge once and it had a Hemi in her, pulled the
engin and put it into a 56 Job-rated truck.
    Like many of the other posts it was fun to tear things apart to see what made
them work, but then once in a while we would cross the line, Dads Harley, and
then had mom and dad a little upset. At the age of 14 we bought our first car, a
1964 Olds. Pulled the motor and tranny, went through them, put an all new
interior in it with the best 8 track 40.00 would buy. Replaced the grill, bumper,
hood, fenders, and doors and then painted he [ dad did this for a living]. At the
age of 16 we drove the car, legally, and after about 1 month the fuel pump went
out of her.... Sold her for 35.00.. Never said "I" was smart.
    Today we, Jenny and me, have 3 kids and 1 daughter-in-law, Sara. Kyle is now
a butcher and loves his game playing. Brandi is a senior in high school and is
going to collage as a PSO student, wants to be (WILL BE) a nurse. Brooke is my
little one and is a freshman, she loves the game of volleyball and has just
completed her first high school year and is heading into her 2nd in Club ball.
Jenny is a full time cook for the local schools and loves doing this. Now me, we
are on our 20th year at Ball Metal Container, thus an old lid puncher. We run a
small lawn mower shop out of the garage and love working on engins. Here's
one....  We are also on the village council of our small community, 350 people of
Wharton Ohia, and found this to be very challenging.
    As far as engins and show, we do about 7 shows per year with Findlay being
our local and with Portland being the last one we will ever do, it is the best.
We have known people from all over the US. but the list has made it so we know
people from all over the world. We brought an engin out of Montana due to this
list We have been on list a very long time and have seen many different sides to
this list, was off list last winter due to some health problems (still working on
them), and found we did miss it. We own a few engins from bigger one to smaller
ones. We like taking hacksaws to them and makin other things out of them and we
like turning things down on the lathe and mill. Back many a year ago we turned
down a Domestic for 100.00 thinking this was way more than they where worth,
DUH!!!!!!!!, and have now just this year gotten our first true SS. We bought
Briggs, and the likes, for .50 each and have sold some of them for as much as
350.00 Ever hear of a Briggs "P". we bought maytags for 5.00 and sold them for
.05 true value (Dave bought all 185 of them)  8-) Model 82's, and an upright. Our
first true flywheel was an International "M". We had absolutely nothing in this
engin, a fellow sold it and the trailer it was on for 20.00, running, and we sold
the trailer for 50.00 the next day.
    Sorry to be so long winded, but did not know how much worthless info you all
wanted here.


    Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give"
          W.V. NANCE

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Mike Semanoff



Hi, My name is Mike Semanoff . I'm 49 years old, a tad portly, and married
to my wife Elida for almost 29 years. I have two sons 25 and 28 and a
daughter 20. We live in Waterbury Connecticut, birthplace of American mass
production. I've been in the car business as a mechanic since I was twenty
(my parents owned a bakery and I figured that was about as opposite a trade
as I could get). I've worked for Pontiac,Fiat,Chevrolet,Renault,AMC,Jeep and
Eagle dealers over the years staying with Jeep for the last eighteen. I've
been in the engine hobby for about thirteen years starting after accidentally
running across a show in western CT. I never knew such things existed! My
first engine was a 1 1/2-1919 FM Z I got at the Hudson auction. This was
followed by a Stover KE  a bunch more FMs  a Witte more Stovers some
International LBs-LAs an Economy 2 Novos, 4 Maytags, a Bull Dog,Fairmont.a
 4 walk behind garden tractors, some riding garden tractors plus the usual
assortment of Briggs,Clintons Wisconsins,Onans ETC. Somewhere in the middle
of collecting all this stuff I answered an in the local bargain news for
three Coldwells plus parts. This has mushroomed. I now have quite a few (20+)
mowers and engines in various condition. These range from a mid teens
Woodpecker powered model H to  late forties Briggs powered Standards, Badgers
etc. These are complemented by a nice collection of REO mowers  a couple of
Ideals and two Flymos. I also collect books and literature about industrial
history. I am vice president of the Tobacco Valley Flywheelers.





Keith & Richard Munter

Hello list,
This is the Munter Family Engines introducion.  Since Dad types with
"hunt & peck system", I'm the delegated typist.

I'm Keith and I'm 50.  Dad is Richard or Dick and he just turned 71.
I'm married to Debbie for 29 years, together we produced 4 very nice
children, two boys and two girls.  All are on their own now  and we have
2 grandsons, with another due in April.

Dad has been married  for 51 years to a wonderfully, understanding
woman, Maxine, (or Max to friends).
I have one sister in Dallas, TX.

Mom and Debbie tolerate this terrible disease of old iron collecting, as
it keeps us out of trouble for the most part.  They aren't too sure
after seeing some of the Portland pictures.

I work for the state of Illinois as a Nuclear safety technician,
traveling to seven nuclear plants in the state.  (I work out of my
house!). I have 11 years to go before I retire.

Dad worked for Caterpillar Tractor Co., in Joliet, IL.  He was an
audio/visual production supervisor in the training department.  He's
been retired for 16 years.

Both of us and one son are Ham Radio Ops.  Dad is KA9YPD and I'm N9AHN.
Dad was in several Barbershop Harmony Quartets and Choruses over a
couple decades, traveling around the U.S. doing shows and contests.  He
was a dedicated Gold Wing Tourist "Hon-da Road Again", retiring from
this freedom just this past summer.  He still has a Helix scooter to get
around town on.

We live in the small farm village of Grand Ridge, IL  (pop. 500).  It's
about 80 miles S/W of Chicago, very flat for darn soil in
the state for corn.

We have just sold some of the collection to make room for the Ruston &
Hornsby 10 AP, we still have 8 engines down to 1.5 H.P. and 7 smaller
engines and motors.  I will be restoring a very early 1924 JD-E 1.5 this

We have a very nice wood shop in Dad's basement and have built many
pieces of furniture for the family.  Dad designs and builds all our
engine carts out of oak and walnut.  This shop is the engine restoring
area in the winter.  Oh!, forgot to mention we live 100 ft. apart, which
makes it convenient for working together on the engines.

My wife and I collect Fairy lamps or tea lights (2 piece candle lamps)
and have about 100 of them.  She collects Cherished Teddies and has 83
of those critters.  I also collect depression and art glass, especially
Fenton.  And we both like lead crystal.  Mom collects pink depression

The folks are tired of Illinois winters and have bought a second home in
Beverly Hills, FL to escape the cold for six months.  Its 70 miles north
of Tampa.  Next week they will be swimming in their pool, and I will be
installing the snow blower on the tractor by myself.

Ferrous Regards,
Keith and Dick Munter


Brian Campbell


I'm Brian Campbell. I collect engines and other stuff that catches my eye.
My wife Melissa and I have been married for almost 13 years and have 5 boys
which keep us very busy with all their activities. I am lucky to have a
supportive wife in this hobby. Her usual response to me looking over an
engine is "go for it" I am more likely to bring home an engine from a swap
meet if she comes along rather then the other way around. A few more
particulars on me are 33 years old, currently working as a test engineer for
Cascade Corporation, a lift truck attachment manufacturer. Went to school
for mechanical engineering, but spent about 15 years on and off working as a
machinist. This has served me well in this hobby since most of the things I
take on are basket cases (affordable). I have managed to aquire some decent
piles. They include: Air and hopper cooled IHC 1 horse famous, 2 hp IHC
vertical, 1.5 McD M, Vertical Schmidt chilled cylinder,Fuller and Johnson
pump engine,, and others who I can't remember right now. I think last count
was around 18 in various stages of completeness. I also like to fool around
with bigger stuff, along with friends I have moved and re-erected a 225 hp 3
cyl. Fairbanks diesel, 11x13 Willamette logging donkey, 500 hp Twin City
Corliss w/ 16" flywheel and some other things as they come up. I am
fortunate to have some good friend that get into the big and rare stuff that
I can learn from while working with them. That's the main reason I don't get
more of my stuff running is their stuff is more interesting. If anybody
happens to find yourself out in the Vancouver, WA. area, right across the river from Portland, OR be sure and holler. Brian Campbell
Vancouver, Washington



George Myers


We come as a pair!

We now reside in the mountains in south central Pennsylvania.

We retired in 1991.  George retired on his 65th birthday from
commercial roofing and I retired from Book of the Month Club.  We have
one daughter.

After having collected hand crank phonographs for several years,
there was no space left in the house so we had to become interested in
another hobby.  In 1993, we became involved with the Ottawa line and
the company history because many collectors, in our area that we had
met, expressed a dislike for Ottawa.  They were only familiar with the
dragsaw here in central Pennsylvania.

Now 8 years later, we have over 35 items from Ottawa, which includes
the tractor, kerosene, ported and aircooled engines, including the
only 5hp twin cylinder that we have ever seen.  We used to make the
comment that each new acquisition would add 5 years to George's life!!
Oh well, his father just celebarted his 100th birthday in his own

Thru our annual sojourns to Kansas, we have had the pleasure of
meeting many people that at one time were employed at the Warner Fence
Company, 1904 to 1951, which  produced the Ottawa, Union Giant &
Warner engines.  We certainly are not the biggest Ottawa collector,
but we have had the pleasure of meeting many them & being able to call
them friends.  Engine people are the NICEST people!

We have had the pleasure of meeting the co-designer of the Ottawa
Yardmaster, also we visit eah year with the last Plant Superintendant
of the company.  Several years ago a one-time engineer at Ottawa, now
deceased, agreed to sell us his air cooled Union Giant because we had
referred to ourselves as only being caretakers of these old engines.
Hence the name:

The Ottawa Caretakers
George L. & Helen S. Myers
Blain, PA   USA




Orrin B. Iseminger (Picture)



It is my wish that *everybody* comes out of their shell during this thread
and introduces themselves.  I hope none of you think folks won't be
interested.  So far, the biographical sketches have been very entertaining.
 Now, at the risk of sounding like a long-winded braggart and a bore
(without a doubt, guilty on both counts :-), let me venture forth. 

Cathy and I live on a six acre patch of steep hillside in southeast
Washington State.  Our place sits near the bottom of the deep Wawawai
Canyon that branches off the Snake River Canyon, about 120 miles downstream
from the mile-deep Hells Canyon.  It's comfortable down here in the
winter-sometimes by as much as 20 F warmer than the farmland, above-but we
pay for it in the summer when temperatures frequently hover in the mid
nineties.  However, with negligible humidity and cool nights, we find it
very tolerable.  We're surrounded by game: every day we see deer browsing
on the far side of the canyon and every night we listen to the coyotes yip,
howl, and serenade. 

Cathy, my first wife of 38 years, stayed home to raise our two sons.
They're now grown, so she went to work in the business office of Northwest
Public Radio at Washington State University.  Cathy wants to build up her
own Social Security and private retirement funds.  I retired five years ago
and am now a healthy 62.  I'm living the best, happiest, years of my life. 

We probably have too many hobbies to give proper attention to any one of
them.  Cathy gets her kicks by showing her fleet of nicely restored Model A
Fords.  Being her chief mechanic, I don't get to spend much time with my
pretty 1929 Model A Ford roadster.  You're welcome to take a look at them
on our Web site:

My family got our start in Model A's when we drove them to grade school
back in South Dakota.  That's right.  The state didn't license drivers back
then and if you could reach the clutch pedal you could drive.  Every day
there would be two or three Model A's and an old Chrysler with wood spoked
wheels parked out in the playground; not a one of them belonged to the

While growing up on the farm, the wind pumped the water for our livestock;
but, sometimes in the heat of summer it didn't blow and we'd have to start
up our old "one lung" engine to do the job.  Nobody had electricity back
then, so just about every farm had an engine or two.  I never owned one of
my own, so about retirement time I decided to get a hit 'n' miss.  It
didn't stop at one.  The things have a way of multiplying.  We cannot
afford "exotics" so we remain content with a mix of IHC "M's," one lone
Mogul, J-Ds, F-Ms, Herc-builts, etc.  The easy part of the hobby is buying.
 The hard part is finding time to do proper restorations.  If I could do
one a year I'd have enough raw material to last the rest of my life.  My
favorites are an all-original Model D Kohler light plant (thank you for the
manual, Dave R.) and an 8-h.p. Waterloo.   The Kohler is a great

The Waterloo traces its heritage to my home town of Canton, South Dakota.
There, Jeff Knowlton invented the concept of the hopper-cooled engine and
started manufacturing them under his name.  In a deal worked out with
Waterloo, Knowlton gave the company permission to use his design.  They did
so without changing much of anything.  The only difference between my
Waterloo is its (cheaper) J-shaped cast-iron mixer as opposed to the more
expensive brass carb (I believe them to be Lunkenheimers) that came on the

Cathy's favorite engine is her 2 h.p. Jaeger.  She's proud of being able to
service it and start it all on her own.  We'll forever be indebted to Steve
Barr and Mark Shulaw for generously hauling it halfway across the US for
us.  There's no folks finer than engine folks and Mark and Steve are the
best of the best.  You can see it in its barn-fresh condition on Keith
Kinney's Hercules Web site,  Look for "Here are
some pictures of a 2HP Jaeger engine that was listed on eBay."  Now cleaned
up and mounted on a cart, it's more photogenic.  We'll post a picture of
it, some day. 

Another of my budding hobbies is home shop machining.  One of my first
chores awaiting is to set up another lathe I bought last summer.  It seems
as though the story of my life revolves around the search for an affordable
made-in-the-USA lathe that's not worn out.  Last winter I built a double
sized Moriya Stirling engine powered fan of James Senft's design.  Someday,
I hope to build a copy of one of Reg Ingold's Stirlings.  Reg generously
gave me all the necessary drawings and dimensions.  I've also collected all
the materials necessary to build a "junkbox" Stirling, so that will occupy
me for another winter. 

I'm nearing the end of my third and final year as president of the
Lewis-Clark Antique Power Club.  I'll add that fun and interesting
experience to my repertoire of pleasant memories.  Here are some others:
* Seven years as a nuclear power plant Machinist Mate in US Navy
submarines, including three years as instructor at the prototype reactor
for the aircraft carrier Enterprise's power plant.  The reactor from my
sub, the Abraham Lincoln, SSB(N) 602, is now buried near here at the
Hanford nuclear reservation.
* A stint as a reactor operator and experiment operator at the 250 MW
Advanced Test Reactor; the world's largest test reactor, at the time.  It
was a real "gee whiz" experience.
* Reactor operator and fuel handler at EBR-II, an experimental liquid
sodium cooled fast breeder reactor-more wow and gee whiz.
* Three years as a hydroelectric power plant operator at the historic Fort
Peck Dam in NE Montana.  At one time this was the world's largest earthen
dam:  it's about four miles long and a mile thick at the base.  Its 1930s
vintage machinery at the tunnel works fascinated me.  It included an
antique Enterprise diesel-powered emergency generator. 
* Twenty years as a hydroelectric power plant and navigation lock operator
at Lower Granite Dam on the Snake River.  Total capacity: 932 megaWatts. 

I'm probably a bit of a social klutz, but that doesn't make any difference
to our basset hound and two cats.  Every night the three of them beg my
attention and shower their affection in return.  That's good enough for me. 

Orrin B. Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
So many projects, so little time.





Randall Semeiks (Picture)

My name is Randall Semeiks, I'm 17 years old and live in the Albany, NY
area.  I have been on the SEL since I was 13 or so, through the whole to switch.

I am currently a senior in high school, and next fall I'm off to
(hopefully) SUNY (State University of New York) Cobleskill to study
tractors/diesel systems.  I'm looking to get my BT in Agricultural
Equipment Technology.  That should be a fun trip =)  Currently I work
several hours a day after school at P.R.O. Mfg. in Castleton, NY.  They
build speaker cabinets/systems and sell electronics for pro/PA applications
(  I'm the guy that repairs electronics that come back
broken <grin>.

For years I had been going to various local fairs, and I saw these "neat
old things that sounded cool" but I really did not know what they were.  I
figured something like that was way out of my reach of ever owning anyway.
My passion (I thought) was for old cars.  This was when I was 12-13 or so,
and I spoke to my dad about it.  He said if I was serious about restoring
an old car, I should start with something "simpler" like an old tractor.
Well, that opened up a whole new world for me!  He told me of an antique
equipment show coming up in the area, and I said sure I'd be interested in
going.  Not only did I see lots of tractors, but a lot more of those "neat
old things with flywheels.  Why do they only fire periodically?  I want one."

A few weeks after that show, I sold the dirt bike that I had just rebuilt
(piston, rings, mains, etc) and bought a nice 1949 Case VAC tractor.
Running, but needed restoration.  Well, being the ambitious one that I am,
I tore it all down (even the engine is all apart at this point) and then
realized how much it would cost me to "do it right."  So, I'm working on
getting the funds together to finish that one, but in the mean time I've
found several old flywheel engines, and realized that they ARE obtainable.
By the way, before I got into this hobby, my father did not know about old
engines and such, and now he tells me he wants an old vertical diesel!  So
I guess I'm a good influence on him <grin>.

My collection includes the following:  1926 Stover KA 2HP (the lawn
ornament that I got unstuck with the grease gun method), 4HP Myrick-Eclipse
on cart (runs), 2HP Phelps light plant (missing genny, was running, now
apart for restoration), ~6HP L.M.Trask (I think it's a somewhat early
Witte.  Not running- I need to find a L.H. Draft Lunk mixer for it), 192?
Fordson on steel, stuck, missing parts, etc.  1949 Case VAC (apart), and
finally several Maytag 92s and other small air cooled goodies.  I had a 1
1/2HP Hercules E, but needed money so had to sell it.  Also had a Coldwell
lawnmower and several Int. LA/B engines, but they've all been sold.

My other interests include car audio, music, electronics, and motor
vehicles.  I play guitar (I won my first electric when I was 9!), and also
have two turntables on which I spin electronic dance music (techno).  I'm
decent, and hope to get out and play some locations soon.  Electronics come
and go as an interest, but I always keep up on it at work.  Finally, my old
iron interest didnt erase the automobile interest completely.  No antiques
yet, but I do have a 1987 Ford Bronco (was daily driver) that I have plans
to drop a 460CI into this winter, money permitting of course.  Also I have
a 1987 Honda Accord that I got for $150 from a junkyard this summer.  Body
decent (little rust), interior spotless.  Ran good, but the clutch was
SHOT.  So I taught myself how to install a clutch in a transverse engine
setup.  And now I have a car that gets me around a lot more efficiently
($$) than the Bronco, and the best part is I have a lot less money than
what its worth in it.  But I love the Bronco and I don't know that I'll
ever be able to sell it <grin>.

I did have a webpage, but it really needs a complete makeover, so I will
post when I get it all done and back up.

And, that's about it.  Now you know a lot more than you probably ever
wanted to about me.
Randall Semeiks
Collector of Old Farm Equipment
Castleton, New York USA




Jack Watson



Name:   Jack Watson, aka JWW or more often, JW. Also recently been called
"Big Ears", not because of any particular physical peculiarity, but for
reasons which will be revealed later. (The Poms & those familiar with Enid
Blyton will probably have a "nodding" acquaintance with this)

Age:   As old as my tongue, a little older than my teeth, as my Grandmother
used to say when we asked her  how old she was. Actually I was a Leap Year
Baby in 1932, so I have only had 17 and a quarter birthdays. This must
qualify me as one of the younger kids on the block who should be encouraged?

Abode:   Waterman, a northern suburb of Perth, Western Australia.  The
Indian Ocean lives across the road from me. It spits salt spray at me and I
spit right back at it, as I work mightily to combat incipient rust.

Married:   Have been, still am, to Nadia, for 48 years, and looking forward
to many more.

Kids:   Three sons. (1) Dean, the eldest, a QANTAS F/o, living in Melbourne,
no children. (2) Geoffrey, has a business "Couplers", (,
deals in all sorts of hoses, ducts, fittings etc. He and Jenny live in a
nearby suburb, they have two children,. (3) Bevin, married to Kaye, living
in Townsville, Queensland, have two children.  Bevin is a computer expert
with Oracle.

First engine:   My older brother Des, my younger brother Mert and I were
always mechanically inclined, and our father bought us our first stationary
engine when I was about 7 or 8.  It was a one-cylinder horizontal air cooled
Douglas engine (from a motorbike). It originally had two cylinders, but one
has been blanked off. This was coupled to a 6 volt car generator and we used
it to charge batteries for neighbours in the days when a lot of battery
wirelesses (radios) used a wet cell 2 volt "A" (filament) battery or a 6
volt vibrator
for HT.  This was superceded by a Tiny Tim belted to a 1929 Nash 6 volt
generator (the engine's internal generator parts were missing), and later by
an open crank horizontal hopper cooled engine, the make of which I never
knew. We used all of these to charge batteries. Des, who was by then (about
1944) in the RAN (Navy), liberated and brought home from Rabaul, a Japanese
engine, an air cooled 4-stroke vertical, and we all very impressed by its
compactness and the very high quality and appearance of the shiny die-cast
alloy fittings, the
like of which we had never seen. This, in the days when we had been brought
up to believe that "Japanese" meant "cheap and shoddy". How wrong we were! I
often wonder what make it was, since Des sold it soon after when he was
strapped for cash. (I mentioned that he was a sailor!)

Present engines:   Lets see - checking my Excel files - 2,793 engines -
doesn't sound right - Bloody computers! No, that's the hours I've spent
thinking about them - OK, Number of engines = 1. That's a Buzacott 4K set up
as a 32 volt lighting plant.  Not counting several Villiers and models.

Motor bikes:   Over the years, we had a collection of bikes - the first was
a 1929 Harley (which caught fire regularly - we had a pile of sand ready
near the workshop door), AJS's, a few BSA's, Velocettes, Triumphs, Levis's,
Nortons, etc. Mostly acquired in bits, brought to life and sold or traded
among our friends.  Presently I have restored a 1956 Model LE Velocette,
commonly called a "Noddy Bike" in the UK, as they were  extensively used by
their bobbies (police), and perhaps the Poms can explain why the name took
on? (Oh
yes, Enid Blyton's children's book "Noddy and Big Ears", a title not now
considered politically correct.)

Cars:   Couple of Oaklands, a Hupmobile, Buicks, Chev 4's, Holdens; Ford
Zephyr, etc.. The family car was a Clyno ("Priscilla") which my grandfather
bought new for my Aunt in 1927.  I still have this car, together with all
its documentation, and we rally her regularly. (Priscilla, not my Aunt).

Aeroplanes:   Learnt to fly in Tiger Moths and Austers in the 50's, got
married then, and couldn't afford to keep it up, always kept up my interest.

Career:   On my way to school, I used to pass the local Power House, and
would gaze in at the engines - Nationals, Ruston Hornsbys, Crossleys,
Mirrlees, mostly horizontal, open-crank, suction-gas fuelled, and eventually
to no-one's surprise, I became an apprentice electrical fitter there. More
studies, moved to larger power houses & became the youngest (in Queensland,
at any rate) Superintendent of a Power Station when I was 21. Worked as
Facilities Supervisor at several NASA Satellite Tracking Stations in the 60'
s and 70's, got to know a bit about Garret AiResearch gas turbines and
Cryogenics and PERT diagrams there. Later became a lecturer at TAFE
Colleges, in Electricity, Electronics and Computing until my retirement a
few years ago.

I am fluent in 3 languages - English, Strine and Profane, with a smattering
of Amer'kin thrown in.

Perth W.A. Oz



Glen Karch (Picture)


Hi, I am Glenn Karch and must be the old man as I will be 72 on Nov 23 and
will be married to the former Marian Niederhaus 49 years on Dec 23.  We have
t wo boys, 38 and 35.  The oldest married the only girl he ever had a date
with and has a 5 and 10 year old.  The younger has had several girl friends
but has never made it to the alter.

The boys and I started out with an old tractor in 1970 and that led to gas
engines.  I traveled southern Indiana as a manager for Pioneer Seed Corn.
Starting in 1972,  I began to pick up engines farm fresh and in 3 years I
had 125 of them.  Some were free, others were cheap and others I traded seed
corn for.

We live on a 300 acre farm where we built a new house in 1958.  I have
storage buildings 42 x 90, 30 x 60, 30 x 30 and five garage spaces.  In
additon, there is space in the woods for the more durable stuff.  In my shop
there is central heat, lathes, milling machines and whatever else to tinker
with.  My shop skills have been pretty well self taught.

The boys and I rebuilt trctors and gas engines, but when they left home,
they graduated to muscle cars (69 Plymouth Road Runners and 69 Hurst Olds,
etc) and left dad with the other things.

After 24 years I retired from Pioneer Seed Corn in 1986 at the age of 56 and
from a 400 acre grain farming operation in 1966.

We have unstyled John Deeres A, B and G; a 1932 F-20 Farmall; a 1942 H
Farmall and a 1950 M Farmall that I bought new in July of that year.
Another 20 tractors have come and gone. Throw in a 1947 1 1/2 ton Mack truck
(with Chevrolet 292 engine), a 1929 Model A Ford that has been merged with a
1985 Pontiac Firebird and a homemade junk car.

I have owned about 200 gas engines, but only about 60 are on hand now.  The
collection contains about 20 or 25 of the Hercules family, Foos, Atlas,
Dempster, Kewanee, T & M, F-M, IHC, R & V, Ingeco, E-B, etc plus one Maytag.

I grew up on an Ohio river bottom farm east of Evansville in south western
Indiana and currently live near Haubstadt, Indiana.  When my sister and I
were young, our house had no electricity or running water or indoor plumbing
until we were in highschool.

As a teenager, I spent many hours in dad's farm shop using the forge, anvil,
post drill, etc.  I built from the junk pile what you now call a butt buggy
from pulleys, sprockets, steel wheels and other items.  I also built a
double acting spring bicycle front end using old tractor valve springs.  We
had a 1 3/4 HP Hercules gas engine on the farm which I luckily got back
after it had been gone for 25 years.

In 1989 I published the History of Hercules Gas Engines and a few years
later the Sparta Economy story.  As most of you know, I currently write a
monthly Hercules story for GEM.

I graduated from Purdue University in 1951 with a BS in Agriculture.
Believe it or not, as a freshman I took an Ag Engineering course that
covered hit and miss engines and make and break ignition systems and we got
to work on those kind of engines in the Ag Engineering shop.

That about sums it up.  I hope that an old man hasn't bored you too much.


Glenn Karch, Haubstadt, IN
Hercules Historian




Cam Grundy (Picture)



Well I'll contribute my bit now, I am 62 and was born in the Mallee in a
small town called Hopetoun, Victoria, my Parents left the land during the
depression and headed south to Yallourn where my father worked in the Coal
mine there as a Welder, I had three brothers and a sister ( have lost 2
brothers ). I went through  primary school in Yallourn and then Technical
School there also, when I left I finished up doing half my time as a Baker
and Pastry Cook but it didn't work out to good as my mates were out with the
girls and I was working, anyway I then tried my hand at Plant Operating and
that is what I have done with the rest of my life. My Job took me to every
corner of this country and now I have finished work I would like still do
some more. Until I retired nearly 2 years ago ( burnt out, the Dozers and
the Rock were to hard to handle at 60 ) I was rarely home
       I am married to the most beautiful woman in the world, she has put up
with me for 38 years and her name is Edwina, we have one daughter, Karen (I
wasn't home long enough to have anymore) and two beautiful grand children
Jessie and Kyle who are four and three. We live on the Central Coast of NSW
( Gosford ) which is probably one of the prettiest places you would find
here in New South Wales
    Now on to the engines, Just before I retired I was working down south of
Yass, NSW at Bookham bypass when the Young Engine Rally was on so as I was
always interested in the old iron I decided to make the 1 hour trip out
there to have a look and who should be the first bloke I ran into was Reg
Ingold displaying his Models and I said to my mate I have got to have one of
those things. I said to Reggie how much for that one and he said it's not
for sale anyway I settled for the Fairbanks Morse 1A Eclipse ,we talked some
more and found out that we lived 30 minutes apart, I later bought another
model ( a 1/3 size Woodpecker ) to go with it. Of the full size engines I
have   an  Associated hired man, a 1hp Novo a 1 1/2hp Inter M
A Lister J, Sundial A 2hp, Moffat Virtue brick, Hercules 1 3/4hp, Southern
Cross AKB. Rosebery 3hp (unrestored), XD Cooper, Sundial 4hp (unrestored). I
am at the moment trying to Restore an 8hp Columbus for a friend, it is
coming together slowly, it 's undercoated and I'm waiting for a couple parts
and then I will start to assemble it.
            I have been on the List now for about 12 months and although I
don't have a lot to say I have learnt heaps and  have some very nice friends
I've met along the way. I would like to thank everyone who has helped me in
the past
                                                        Take Care Cam.
 Cameron Grundy
Gosford NSW


Keith Kinney   (Picture)



I've been a list member for 5 or 6 years now and have met a lot of really
great people through it.

>I am 41 years old, married to my high school sweetheart. We have a 16 year
>old daughter and a 13 year old son.  I'm a certified business continuity
>professional and work for Ascension Health, a catholic health care
>organization with about 75 hospitals.  The complany I work for supplies
>computing for those 75 hospitals.    I have the responsabliltiy to make
>sure our computer systems can be brought back online quickly in the event
>of a disaster.  I've been in the information systems field for 23
>years.  I'm a mason and just received the 33rd degree in Scottish Rite
>Masonry last month.  I'm currently serving master of our lodge.  I'm
>active in our church where I'm currently serving as a trustee.

>I've been collecting old Iron since I was 13 years old and my dad and I
>collect together.  I like them all but particularly like locally built
>equipment.  Hercules gas engines were made locally and we have a fairly
>large collection of them including a complete set of Model E Hercules
>engines.   We also have several Clarke Marine engines that were also
>produced locally. I have a web page at  where I
>have a lot of Hercules related information as well as some of the rest of
>our collection.  A couple of Maytags and a couple of 25 H.P. Superior oil
>field engines stand at each end of our engine collection of about 25
>engines.  In addition to the engines we have about a dozen old tractors in
>various states of repair.  Lots of misc. equipment to go along with all
>this rusty old iron.  We have a Woodmizer portable sawmill and wood kiln
>that we use to reclaim fallen timber.

>We also like steam and have a 1906 Russell 12 HP Portable engine.  We also
>have small upright stationary steam engine and a boiler for it and are
>gathering up plumbing parts to outfit the boiler.  A Nickels and Shepard
>threshing machine and a couple of binders complement the Russell engine.

We have a couple of old cars in our collection.  A 1925 Model T Ford and a
1934 Plymouth.  These are fun to get out and drive.  I'm looking for a
Hercules built truck to restore as a Hercules service truck.  I've located
a couple, we'll see what happens.
Keith Kinney
Evansville, Indiana USA


Alan Bowen



  I'm 44 and married to Christine for 25 years. We grew up in the same
church and we still go there.  We have one daughter, Emily who's 7. We
live on our little 5 acre farm and try to eat what we grow.

I learned all about electricity at age 4 by spreading out a bobby pin
and pushing it into an outlet. Try it, you'll like it!!  Right after
that I started tearing apart anything I could get ahold of and putting
it back together. I always put things back together. I was playing with
lawn mower and chainsaw engines as a kid then it was cars.  I have
always bought the cheap cars and trucks, drove them till they dropped
then stripped them to keep others going. Right now we are driving an 85
Dodge 3/4 ton pickup the was given to us last fall and a 89 Dodge
Dynasty I got for $150 at an auction last weekend.

I got into flywheel engines in 98 when I bought a FBM ZC-52. I still
have it and I have a Cushman Type X that runs and a 4HP Ottawa that will
run next. I also have 3 Maytag Engines that run, and a bunch of
air-cooled Briggs and Wisconsins. I don't have many engines, but what I
get, I keep.

I've been in the building trades for 26 years. I'm a Licensed Builder
and have worked both as an electrician and a plumber.

That's all I can think to say right now so it's a good place to stop.

Alan Bowen 
Williamsburg, MI


Jim  Kirkes (Picture)



I am 65 and retired from the Hewlett-Packard Co after 34 years.  I
worked in several machine shops before going to HP and started there in
the production shop.  Wormed my way into the tool and die shop and
worked at the trade for about ten years.  After the tool room I did a
variety of things at HP including running a production line, process
engineering in a circuit board assembly group and finally as a tool
designer working as part of injet cartridge development group.

Diane and I have been married for about 12 years and it is the second
time for both of us. We live in Hemet KA. Hemet is about 75 miles east
of Los Angeles and about the same distance north of San Diego.  This was
at one time farm country with the principal crops being potatoes and
apricots.  The main crop now seems to be people.

After retirement I was looking around for something to do and kind of
moved into old iron after seeing several shows. So far this has been a
very rewarding hobby.  I bought my first engine from an ad on Harry's
page and learned most of the odds and ends about it from  this group.

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, Ca

Andrew J Nicholson

Hi All,

After reading all the other introductions I feel very insignificant, I'm a 47 year old Motor Mechanic, married twice. My wife Marie and I have been married for 14 years and have a daughter Alex 13 years old. I started my trade in a Ford dealership, left as soon as my time was up and travelled around Australia, working in various jobs from Service stations, Open cut mines, Under ground mines, Cattle stations and Maintenance fitter on a railway line. I finally settled down when I (if you can call it that) joined the Airforce (RAAF) , we were moved every two years,  I've been posted to most states of  Australia and served in Malaysia, Singapore, Hongkong, Timor and PNG. I've just moved to the west coast which should be a 3 year posting and then back to Townsville on the east coast. At the moment I'm one of four staff at what we call a Bare base, it's a complete base all bar the people, that was until the 11sep01.

I started collecting about three years ago, with a 4 1/2 hp Ronaldson & Tippett I now have 17 engines, R&T, Buzacott, Southern Cross, Fuller & Johnson, Felix, Stover, Moffat-vertue and a Yanmar ( which I did a Radar and posted it bit by bit from Timor).

It's a fun hobby and a real laugh when the removalist comes and packs us up, and see's the engines he has to move.

The list has been very helpful, not with my engines as they are small and mainly Australian but with O/T and the people I've talk to off list are the greatest, this is the main reason I like this hobby.

Exmouth W.A.

Herbie Fox

     Forgive me for posting this so late, but I've neglected my email so
badly that I'm only now getting to the Introduction thread. I hesitated to
revisit the subject since everyone seems to have already finished their
bios, but I enjoyed reading them so much that I felt left out. Here goes:
     My name is Herbert Fox, although everyone began referring to me as
"Herbie" at a tender age so that my grandfather (my namesake) and I would
know which of us was being addressed. I'm a ruggedly handsome 29 year old,
but haven't found a woman yet who isn't intimidated by my looks and willing
to keep me around. I live in Cookeville, TN which is situated  about halfway
between Nashville and Knoxville. I pay the bill collectors by working as an
assessment specialist at the local mental health center where I've been
employed for the past seven+ years. Needless to say, the ATIS get-togethers
are like a day at the office for me.
     My interest in old engines bloomed from a love of old tractors. About 8
years ago my father, who lives nearby and is known to many of you, and I
took our two old Farmalls to our local show and fell in love with the
neighboring engines. We've since acquired one other tractor vs. around 25
"flywheel" engines. We also have various Maytags,Continentals,Briggs,   Reos,
etc. I hope to put a web page up one of these days.
     My father is the true mechanic of family. I just try to get in the way
as much as possible while learning from him. We've got a very small shop
which houses enough junk and equipment to clutter a very large one. We're in
the planning stages of erecting a larger shed for the iron. When completed
things should be much less cramped for us (until we refill the empty spaces
with some other junk).
     I'm almost silent here these days, but this list and the people on it
continue to provide me with information, entertainment, and friendship as
much now as it has in past years. Thanks to all of you, both old and new.


Paul Waugh

When you are 61 years of age, where do you start.

I am a retired factory worker, in the printing business of RR Donnelley.  I
was a pressmen, where we fixed a lot of our own equipment, before becoming a
supervisor.  I retired at 57 and started into business for myself.  I drank
my way into AA (20 months now), and then really retired a year ago.

As a kid we did not live on a farm, but I consider myself as have been
raised on a farm.  All of my family did, except us, so many a summer was
spent on the farm.  Started driving tractors at the age of 6 was and still
am fascinated by them.  There were a few old engines around pumping water,
but they were considered junk, and soon as possible were replaced by
electric motors.

I stayed close in touch with farming all of my working life, even in South
America.  In the early 90's I started with JD tractors while living in
Gallatin TN on 7 acres, having 4 at one time.  When I retired from the
factory in 1996, I moved to 'the lake' in North Webster, IN and did not have
much room.  So I made the switch to old engines, and have never looked back.
I do still have a 1956 420 JD.  It plows snow, put boats in the water, and

I have been on the list 3+ years off and on.  At first the 60-80 daily
emails were overwhelming and I would be on for a few months, then off.  I
have stuck for about a year now.  After 3 years of Portland, I started to
feel like I knew a few of the list members, and could relate to them.  I
started with a 1 1/2 hp M, bought from my wife's great uncle estate auction.
I brought it and my self to Portland in 1999, and with much help, especially
Jimmy Dunmyer, (thank you again) got it running.  In 2000 I bought 1 1/2 JD
E, and this year at Portland, got it running with the help of Monk and
another gentleman whose name I did not get.  I wanted a bigger engine, and
made this clear to LeRoy, while at Portland.  :))  It took him less than 24
hrs to head me in the right direction, so I now have a 4-5 hp DesJarden.
This is my 'winter' project.  At a sale, a Maytag followed me home, and I am
finding out for being a little piece of junk (in Dave's world) that parts
are damn expensive.  I truly believe they have there very important place in
history.  With  out them there would have been a lot of unhappy women 80
years ago, and if a man bought his wife a washer with an engine, he was
justified in getting himself one for the farm. :)

So retired and have 4 engines, go to Portland, and have now been to

That is it.  Have a great day!

Paul Waugh
Northern Indiana
Old Engines & John Deere tractors

Peter Lowe (Picture)

My name is Peter Lowe from Maclean, in northern New South Wales, Australia.
New South Wales is on the east coast of Oz, 29deg 28' S & 153deg 12' E,
population 2,500.
We are 5 hours drive from Reg, 1 1/2 hours drive from Brad and 8 hours drive
from Patrick.(depending on Sydney traffic)
Cam thinks he lives in paradise but we live in god's own country here on 3
1/2 acres, 10 minutes from the Pacific Ocean and 5 minutes from town.
I am 49 soon and live here with my child bride, Kaye, and we have been
married for 29 years. I have three children, Allison 28, Christopher 25 and
Paul 19, all left home and working.
Chris is married and now has a 15 week old baby (Morgan Annalise) and lives
in Brisbane working for State Rail.
Allison is to be married next February and lives in Sydney working for
Qantas Airlines.
Paul is single and lives in Brisbane working as a Storeman.

I served my apprenticeship at BHP Steelworks in Newcastle and used to live
about 2 kms from Reg. From there I went and worked for ALCAN Aluminium
(aluminum) at Kurri Kurri and then to Tomago Aluminium in Newcastle, as well
as working on the construction of the Port Waratah Export Coal Loading
facility and construction of 10 fully automated overhead cranes at the
Tomago Smelter.
I was sick of industrial work so I moved north (530 kms) to Maclean, nearer
to Kaye's folk, and spent twelve months building a house. Money ran out and
I ended back in Industry again much to my horror.
I am a Special Class Electrician/Instrument Technician and at present
working for NSW Sugar Milling on Process Instrumentation. We look after all
aspects of sugar production through computer aided control systems,
electronics and electrical.
Kaye is a nurse at the local hospital and also works for community nursing
part time.

My entry into the wonders of collecting old junk started at a very young age
and the brainwashing :-)) can be attributed to my parents as they run a
small private museum where
my Dad specialises in old radios and gramophones and Mum is into quilting,
embroidery and antiques to do with sewing.
I first started in 1969 restoring and customising a 1965 Triumph 650cc twin
motorcycle which took me around this country without fault.
The next 30 years saw me into all facets of motorcycling from vintage
restoration, racing and touring on my Honda CBR1000. I have had in excess of
thirty motor cycles.
I have just recently had to give away my passion with bikes, regrettably,
due to a neck injury
caused by a car accident last year. I sold my last bike last week, an AJS
500cc single, and it nearly broke my heart.
There is now room in my shed for my main passion, engines.
Now to old iron, I was given a little Cooper RV1, copy of the US iron horse,
a small air cooled 1hp engine some 18 years ago. It sat in my shed for years
with me saying one day I will fix this thing !!! I then acquired a Moffat
Virtue V3, 3hp engine and the same happened to it. It was not until talking
to a friend at work (1998) about my hobbies that she said her mother had an
old engine thingy behind her garage. I went up that afternoon and asked her
about it, and she took me down to where it was. I thought the old lady had
lost her
marbles as I could see nothing that resembled an engine until I pulled and
dug this
pile of rust out from under the ground. The rest is history and I now run
the International R&V Register, (another story) as this engine was an R&V
and was identified after 6 months of research. I had been bitten and
infected by the bug.
Now around this time I bought a computer and hooked onto the WWW and the
world opened before my eyes. I found this group of guys on an Engine
List run by Brice Adams in Indiana , so I joined and what a roller coaster
ride we have had since.
Through server changes I now belong to both Lists.
I was invited to a dinner ( by I think Dave or Arnie, not sure) in Decatur,
Indiana in 1999 so I thought I would break the news to Kaye.
At dinner that night going through my mail I said to her,
"we have been invited to a dinner"
she said "that's nice",
I said "do you want to go"
she said "yes, where",
I said "Decatur, Indiana. USA",
well you should have seen the look on her face.
"What's there" she said,
I said "before the dinner we go to the largest tractor and engine show in
the world"
she thought for a few minutes and then said, "well we better make a
holiday of it"
and we did, driving right across the USA by car and had one of the best
times in our life.
We stayed with Rob and Kelly in the Republic of Kalifornia, Jim and Jan
Dunmyer in Michigan and Ken Brown in Vermont. We saw New York before
Sep.11th, bought a Maytag from my good engine buddy Leroy Clark, at
Portland, for Kaye on our anniversary, met some great people at Portland and
drank some strange tasting international beers.( I remember someone saying
that some tasted like skunk piss)
This SEL are a great bunch of people, and through trials and tribulations we
try and stay on topic most of the time, but if not we usually learn
something new anyhow or get flamed.
The infection has spread and I now have a meagre collection:
Maytag 72, Maytag 92, R&V 2hp, Ronaldson Tippett "Austral" lamp start side
shaft 3hp, Moffat Virtue V3 3hp gen/set, Moffat Virtue V2 2hp with pump,
Rosebery 2CH 2hp vertical, Lister D, Baltic Simplex 3hp, Barlow D, Wolseley
R 4hp shearing engine, Wolseley R 2 1/2hp shearing engine, Cooper RV1 1hp
air cooled compressor unit, Cooper PT gen/set, Westinghouse E30 gen/set,
Lister CS diesel 3hp, a 1927 Austin 7 car engine, large Sunshine corn
grinder and various post drills, old tools, pumps, etc etc.
I have a fully equipped workshop doing most everything myself, but would
kill for a Mill like Reg has. Any big jobs I have, my mate owns an
engineering shop.
I also collect glass telephone/telegraph line insulators from around the
world. I also collect vehicle license plates from around the world, I am
trying to complete a set of 50 US States.
I have made some great friendships on the List Group and my thanks go out to
all of you and your families for making this one big friendly and caring
international family.

Still here hey, well I must not be too boring after all and it didn't hurt a
bit, did it !!
Regards from Oz
Where growing up is optional
Proud to be of convict stock
Peter & Kaye Lowe
Down Under in
Northern NSW
Custodian of the Root & Vandervoort Register
Keeper of the ATIS Atlas
Accumulator of Old Iron

Graham Harris

I'm Graham Harris, age 47, wife Kerry and littlies
Kyle 9, and Aleisha 6. That makes me an 'old' Dad, but
I wouldn't be any other way. Career comes a distant
last now! We live on 2 1/2 acres on the outskirts of
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. I'm presently working
as a contractor in electronic CAD until January and
I'd like to settle into a routine of work for 8 months
on/4 months off for lifestyle reasons. I have been
working in the electronics industry 30 years with TAFE
and university studies all part-time. I'm desperate to
take on something new preferably away from technology!

I reckon old iron has greatly broadened my (our)
horizons, we are travelling more, and I'm phoning,
writing and visiting folks more (engine buddies and
SEList mates) and um... I'm reading better books! I
have been on the ATIS list for nearly 4 years, half in
digest mode and I can't even remember how I discovered

I started into stationary engines quite by accident
about 4 years ago. We were returning from an annual
country picnic in Gippsland, took a different way home
for a change and had stopped to buy a pizza for tea.
My wife picked up a leaflet at the shop advertising an
upcoming tractor rally in the Gippsland area. It
sounded good. I've always been interested in steam
locos and mechanical stuff.

The rally 2 weeks hence was a near washout and we very
nearly didn't go in. Luckily we did and the old
iron-disease set in that day.

My first engine was a vertical rosebery from a farm
near Bendigo (200 Km NE). I've since expanded to 13,
mostly non-goers under restoration at this stage,
including a 5HP Challenge, 3HP New Way, 2 1/2HP F&J,
R&T D type, a 3HP Globe, a 1 1/2 Herc, a couple of
V-model Rosebery's and several pumpjacks. I love 'em
all. I do my lathe work at the local TAFE, 1 night per

I've also got some transports under construction of
the stained-timber and steel wheel type. And our
little kids will soon have to paint their engine, a 2A

My wife is not real keen on engines, but deep down she
might think they are not too bad, just never admits
it! We have a distant cousin on her side who an engine
nut, and I think she feels an affinity with his
'neglected' wife!

Aleisha likes engines because she knows that at
rallies there is often icecream and animal displays
and Kyle gets a great confidence boost when he manages
to start our Cooper CT2!

TTYL mates (UK, USA, NZ, Netherlands, OZ and maybe
elsewhere) thanks for reading!

Graham in Oz

Dick Gibbens (Picture)


      I am 62 years young, born in Baton Rouge, LA. My loving wife of 42 years and I have four children and eight grandchildren. I spent my happy youth on a sugar plantation.  We had trains with whistles, UC Allis Chalmers tractors with Thomson HiClear conversion, two big Corliss steam engines in the mill along with many smaller engines and steam pumps.  In the 1940's there were four mule drawn cane loaders that had 8HP Fairbanks Morse Z engines to power the lift. They were built in Donaldsonville, LA by JB Castagnos' Grandfather, and carried his name.  I began collecting engines of my own about 1965.  I had no idea this hobby would become so poplar.  I now own a TITAN tractor, a steamboat (project) with a SEMPLE boiler and  NAVY G-2 engine. a FERRO engine and boat (project) a completed boat with a 6HP Lockwood Ash engine, many stationary gas and steam engines, and a 1926 FORD Model T Touring car. I'm a retired a! ircraft mechanic, I spend most of my time jumping from one project to the other, having spent too many years LAYERING junk and not enough time finishing something.
      I am truly grateful to my comrades in this hobby for the help and friendship I derive from knowing you!  Isn't America Great!
Dick Gibbens
South Louisiana

Keith Giffin

I have been setting back and reading the introductions and have been quite
intrested in them. Here is mine, I am Keith Giffin I am 44yrs old and live
in Xenia, Ohio (the X is pronounced as a Z) with my wife of 22 years
Jeannine we have one son Matt who is 17. I grew up in a small farming
community and have always been facinated with machinery. I work on a local
farm for several years while in school and work for a brief time at a
machinery dealership then went to work for my dad as a painter. I worked for
several years for him and got my current job as a Firefighter for the city
if Xenia. I have advanced thru the ranks to the position of assistant chief.
As I said I have always been facinated with machinery and we made a habit of
attending the Old Timers Days engine show and during one of my conversations
with the former owner of the machinery dealership I work for he told me he
had a hit n miss engine setting in the shop, If i wanted it come out and
look at it. I bought it site unseen. It was a 1926 Jaeger 3 1/2hp my son and
I restored it and took it to the next years show where I bought a 1929
Jaeger 2hp for my son. Last year we purchased and restored a Jaeger cement
mixer that we mounted my sons engine on. So far this year we purchased a
1924 Jaeger 2hp that is running, a 1919 Fairbanks Morse Z 1 1/2 and a
Fairbanks Morse No 1 feed mill.. I was lucky enough today to put the second
coat of paint on the Z and picked up the paint for the Jaeger and plan on
working on it tommorrow. Vacations days are wonderful. I have to say my wife
support the iron bug and on more than one ocassion she has been seen
degreasing the engine with me. I am planning on expanding the mumber of
shows next year that we go to and hope to continue after I retire in about
five years. Thanks for the opportunity to introduce myself

Keith & Jeannine Giffin
Xenia, Ohio

Brad Soward (Picture)


G'day to everyone from here in Australia! I am Bradley Soward, known to most
as Brad - or shortarse, fatguts, orrible and several other even less
flattering names depending on circumstances. :-) I am 41 years old and
single, and live in a semi self contained section of my parents home in the
small town of Nimbin, in the far North East corner of the State of New South
Wales, Australia. This area is known as The Northern Rivers and the simplest
way to describe where that is, by looking at a map of Australia, the
easternmost point of the mainland is Cape Byron (Byron Bay), and that is 20
miles due East of where I live. I have a younger brother, Andrew, who is a
school teacher and lives about 4 hours drive North of here in South East
Queensland in an area known as The Sunshine Coast.

My little town has a population of around 400, but is Internationally known
for several reasons, mostly to do with alternative (hippy) culture. We have
a 'sister city' relationship with Woodstock in the USA, where they held
"that" music festival. <bg> My family has lived here for three generations
and I was 13 years old when the hippies 'found' Nimbin, so I have seen many
changes to our little piece of paradise, but the outstanding natural beauty
of this area remains largely untouched and it is still a pretty good, if
somewhat unique, place to live. There are a number of websites with
information relating to Nimbin, but most are associated with illegal drug
usage and drug law reform, something I have no time for.

My father became an apprentice motor mechanic when he left school and
started work in one of the local garages in the late 1950's as a 16 year
old. He went on to marry the boss's daughter, who was the office girl, and
eventually bought out the business, selling up for semi retirement in 1989.
I worked for him in this garage for a number of years in the late 70's and
early 80's, but I can safely say that I don't recommend working for close
family! :-) Dad still keeps his hand in repairing small engines (mowers,
chainsaws and the like) and also installs TV antennas and repairs electrical
appliances like washing machines. He plays Lawn Bowls 2 or 3 times a week,
has travelled extensively and doesn't know how he ever had time to work for
a living! <vbg> He has, however, no interest in the rusty cast iron.

I have been employed in some varied ways over the years, starting out with
the garage straight out of school, but had short stints doing some really
diverse things from contract fencing to commercial flying as well as long
periods of unemployment. I currently fulfill 3 roles to the best of my
ability and time availability. My primary employment is driving a school bus
on a local route, operating a 50 seat Bedford diesel for my employer. The
hours are great but the pay sucks! :-) I have a security guard licence so I
get some part time work in that capacity and while the money isn't bad the
working conditions can be less than salubrious. Let's leave it at that. <g>

My third preoccupation is as the Captain of the local volunteer rural fire
brigade. This takes up a lot of time both operationally and in training, as
well as keeping the administration side up to date. I have been a volunteer
member for nearly 25 years and have now been Captain for the last 4 and a
half. During that time I have overseen the building of a new 2 bay fire
station and the construction of our current tanker, which is based on a 1986
Isuzu four wheel drive diesel truck and carries nearly 4000 litres of water.
I have aquired some specialist qualifications with the Rural Fire Service
(RFS) and am currently certified as a Crew Leader, Senior First Aider,
Breathing Apparatus Operator, Air Observer and Air Attack Supervisor, the
latter two coming largely through my interest in aviation. I have a pilot's
licence, but haven't used it for 12 years or so.

I have always been interested in old machinery and bringing abandoned things
back to life. My dad used to race a speedway stock car so I got my first
introduction to swinging spanners when I was 12. As he didn't have time to
do much with the stocker I used to do most of the grunt work in keeping it
running and when he would blow an engine I would remove the old one,
transfer the 'fast bits' to a replacement and reinstall it in the car, just
leaving him to time the ignition and tune the carburettors (it used 3). This
was not only educational but GREAT fun! Later on I was involved in some old
car restorations and had an FJ Holden van for a while and I also rode
motorcycles up until about 7 years ago.

I first saw a hit and miss engine at an agricultural show when I was still a
teenager and was instantly fascinated, but I really didn't get any further
involved until about 6 years ago through a friendship with a now deceased
old iron nut. I bought my first engine with virtually no knowledge at all of
what I was getting into or what to look for, but fortunately got something
that was substantially complete and in reasonable condition for a reasonable
price. As it happened it also turned out to be somewhat rare which helped
get me interested in the researching phase of the hobby and I remain
fascinated by literature and company history. Two more followed soon after
and it was one of these latter two, an Australian made 4 hp Buzacott
vertical that was the first engine I brought back to life. Man, what a
feeling that was when I first made some noise! :-))

The collection has since grown somewhat. . . . . .  <vbg> I'm not game to
count them anymore but the number would be around 70 or so. I discovered the
Stationary Engine List soon after getting on the Internet and have been a
member continuously for 5 or 6 years now, since well back in the
days. I am forever grateful to the early list pioneers like Brice Adams who
are largely responsible for the fantastic research tool and International
fellowship we have today. I was one of the first two or three Australians to
get on the list and while it has had some ups and downs it is still a very
important part of my life. I have had the privilege of meeting some of the
Aussie list members face to face, both at shows and here at home as they
have visited me and my collection. I have tried to introduce new members
whenever I got the chance and I believe it was me who gave the address of
the list to a bloke I'd never met before, with a small beard and an old tool
fetish at an auction sale, when I overheard he and his mates talking about
old iron. I later found his name was Peter Lowe and I think I've created a
monster! :-)) I try to help other enthusiasts whenever I can and have
received some invaluable help myself. This hobby is an ongoing learning

My collection consists of examples from manufacturers around the world. The
names include :- Lister, Petter, Ruston Hornsby, Wolseley, Stuart Turner,
Coventry Simplex, Uniporn, Capel, JAP, International, McCormick Deering,
Fairbanks Morse, Ohlsson and Rice, Wisconsin, OMC, Buzacott, Ronaldson
Tippett, Moffatt Virtue, Cooper, Kelly and Lewis, Southern Cross, De Dion
Bouton and numerous small air cooled Villiers engines and a few cylinder
mowers (Atco, Scott Bonnar). I currently have 9 of these restored with no.
10 almost finished, but don't get to spend anywhere near enough time in the
workshop for my liking. I have not yet produced a 'working display', but
have a number of pumps and other pieces of engine driven equipment that I
hope to eventually make into interesting show exhibits.
I had always dreamed of maybe one day collecting a full set of International
M type engines ever since being sent an early advertising brochure by a
fellow list member, but thought it would be nothing more than a dream to
ever find a 10 hp M type. As fellow list members would be aware though, I
was able to aquire a 10 hp M 2 years ago and it has taken up most of my
limited engine 'play' time over the last year and a half to the detriment of
my other projects. I can now happily say that I have made progress with it
and it now runs pretty well. The addition of a 6 hp this year has completed
my set. <vbg> Another dream is to one day attend the big show in Portland
USA and meet some more of the fine folks who grace this list, but with my
very limited income this realistically is not a strong likelihood,
especially in the near future, but you never know. I never thought I'd get a
10 hp M type either! :-) I hope this was of some passing interest.
Regards from Oz
Nimbin, New South Wales

Peter Woodmore

I am Peter Woodmore , 54 years young and married to Marie for 32 years  and have two daughters, Karen 26 and Lesley 25 nexr week, and a female Maltese cross dog named Sasha, so I really live under  petticoat government. I live in the  Sydney suburb of Moorebank on a small house block surrounded by the Georges River. I started work as a Toolmaker in the coal mining industry and switched to diesel engineering on flame proof underground diesels then mobile drilling equipment for the Nickel boom in the early 1970s and then to aircraft ground support equipment when the Jumbos started flying. From there I joined the NSW Department of Agriculture in Ag engineering research and became a mechanical engineer, the most interesting project being research into alternate fuels and designed and constructed and ethanol still and converted diesel and petrol engines to run on ethanol then went on to produce a modified vegetable oil for use in unmodified diesel engines which i! s great stuff but still too expensive. I still work for NSW Agriculture but now as the maintenance engineer for their largest research establishment at Camden about 70km South West of Sydney. This is an Historic property of 4500 acres once belonging to John Macarthur the founder of the Australian wool industry. Working for agriculture has been very good for this rusty iron hobby as you get to see a lot of stuff hidden away on farms and some comes my way at the right price. I am also a member of the Volunteer Bush fire brigades and have been very active in the last few weeks. I am a committee member of the Institute of Diesel Engineers, a member of the Sydney antique machinery club and the Campbelltown steam and machinery museum. All of which does not leave me enough time to play with my toys as much as I would like to. I have a wide interest in old iron and have a Gunsmith tractor a David Brown 880 Tractor a 1965 GT Cortina car and my engines include 1910 "OF" 10hp Crossely, 8! hp Meadowbank, 4hp International Nonpareill, 1 1/2 Challenge, 1/12 hp Olds "A" , 3 farm pumpers , British ww2 air minestry gen set, 6hp Petter Marine Diesel, 3hp KA Cooper (Stover) ,Crossely GHC1065  a couple of 3hp inter M,s  an air cooled Douglas and heaps of other bits and pieces. I am very slowley learning to say no to any more as there is just not enough room. I have been a list member on and off for about four years and never cease to be amazed by the camaradre of the members and would love to travel the world and meet everyone when I win Lotto.

Hope I have not bored you too much


Ken Christison (Picture)

I am a 62 year old retired Air Force Musician, living in northeastern NC.
I grew up in Northern CA, (Los Molinos), joined the Air Force in 1961,
spent 4 years in Alabama, and 18 years at the Air Force Academy in
Colorado Springs.  I retired in 1983 and we moved out here in 1986.

My hobbies occupy most of my time these days, and they include sorghum
making, bowl turning, and engines, along with the mills etc that they built to
operate.  Lately the documentation of these hobbies has taken a lot of my
time, and I have managed to learn enough about making webpages to put up
some of the material that I have gathered.  I only have about a half dozen
engines, and of these, only three are in running condition.   My first exposure
to these hunks of iron was when I was about 17 and hauling hay one summer.
There was a pumpjack run by a small hopper cooled engine, which we had to
start up whenever we wanted a drink of fresh water.  This was in the vicinity
of Willows, CA.  Back then, 1958, there were still a lot of larger, 10 - 15 HP
Fairbanks diesels running pumps out of the Sacramento River for irrigation. 
My first engine was a 7 HP Alamo which I took off the original pad in
1970.  This is probably one of the latest engines built by Alamo.  This engine
acted as a magnet to gather a few more engines while we lived in Colorado.
I sold several of the engines before we moved out here to lighten the load.  I sure
wish I had kept the little Dempster..........  After moving out here, I didn't do
anything with engines until I went to a Watermelon Festival near here which
featured a small display of engines and tractors.  That got me hooked again,
and I have since added a few more pieces of iron. 

I have been happily married to Connie for nearly 39 years, (December),
and she has been very understanding of my affliction with the old iron
disease.  We moved here from Colorado 15 years ago to be closer to
her aging parents. (and to get away from the cold and the wind).  Her 93
year old mother has been living with us for the past year and a half, so we
aren't able to travel as much as we did previously.  Connie is still working
as a Occupational Therapist in a local school system, so I am the weekday
caregiver for her mother.  Thankfully, she is in pretty good health, though
frail and unsteady.

We have a 37 year old daughter living in Colorado with her husband and
their two children, and a 31 year old son who lives about 5 miles from us.
He is married, with two stepchildren.

I have been on the list for 5 years now, (boy, time flies), and have made
many great cyber friends, and have had the good fortune to meet several
of them at various engine shows in NC, and VA.  My contributions have
been mostly information gathered from my modest library of catalogs.  The
list has been a big part of my life lately since it has given me the impetus to
play with webpages and even get my own domain,
where I have gotten pretty involved with my sweet sorghum hobby.

If you have read this far, I hope you haven't been too bored.

Take care.


Chuck Balyeat (Picture)

   My name is Chuck and I am a militant Rustafarian . I dont have a
problem  ,  I can quit collecting engines and iron anytime I want ! Actually
I think
they're attracted to me . I am 35 yo caucasian male , with no identifying
marks , piercings  or tattoos .
  To feed my habits I am head bottle washer/technical concierge  in the
family auto parts ( Carquest )operation ,where  we fix just about everything
including the occasional automobile . I have managed to combine my iron
hobby with the business and keep operating engines on rotation in displays
here in the store . This generates leads and
fosters a  mad scientist mystique . From a WebPage I have  we sell head
gasket material and other such  sundries to motorheads , they call every day
and we jaw about their new  find or try to understand WHY it works  .

Raced MX all through school in the 80's , won a GNC at the 125 novice level
and ran intermediate locally,  perfected the no hander/no footer , and
destroyed a quarter pipe doing aerials with a KX125 while the X-game crowd
was inside watching Capt. kangaroo , dig stouts , porters and fine Mexican
tequila  , paint  ,
sculpt , and do barefooted foundry work , lathe work ,  leap from the
occasional light aircraft, but  I still don't understand football , and use
excessive punctuation .

 Once upon a tyme I remembered that dad had an engine
that belonged to Grandpa .  Always easily entertained . I  dug it out and
began an odyssey that shows no signs of being over . It was ID'd a hundred
tymes as a F.Morse , but little did I yet know , it predated the fellows
looking at my Polaroid by another 20 + years ! Ignitor fired engines were
obsolete and or worn out by the tyme  they were born .  And it took another
year or so to figure out that an ignitor wont run with a buzzcoil as their
sage advice  called for .  They cant ALL be wrong can they ? Uh huh .I found
an ad for GEM in Hemmings , then Bill Starkey Sr ID'd it for me as an early
United ,   , some years later they mentioned SEL in GEM and here I be .

 I  maintain a three car garage with no car and no house  ! One has to have
goals and priorities in life . Inside one might find : Associated , Novo ,
IHC famous , LA, LB and M , JD E , Baker Monitor  , Joseph Reid , Ferro ,
Wright , Universal ,United , Delco ,  FM
,Robertsonville , Maytags in vertical ,single , and twin cylinder .
NelsonSattleySamsco clones , HD's , Cushman , Merkel , and Shaw scooters
and a Pakistani hot air fan  I just straightened the crank on + stuff I 've
forgot I own  and numerous carcasses  .  I prefer rust bucket stuck to beat
hell bargains of the unusual sort , and keep an electro tank going
continuosly .
 Daily transport is a moron resistant House of Kolor neon yellow 86 sporty
that still steers from the rear quite well . Grind a little off .... stick a
little back on , and after 15 years you have a true custom motorcycle  .
 A card carrying member of the Worshipful Order of Instigators ,  be warned
I will have your cylinder head off before you can say " Watch the paint " .
I m not sure when I arrived at SEL but it was just after the "reinsertion of
prolapsed bovine uteruses " thread. And boy the stuff that I have learned
from you folks ! And I made some really interesting friends along the way  .
I  feel lucky to be considered part of  this group and now find myself
circling in what I believe is the highest orbit of the old engine world .

Like the sign says :

Bolts Made
Rebellions quelled
Libidos  slaked
Engines hauled
Governments toppled
Bits sharpened
Gravel , top soil , and sandy loam

Just ask
Chuck Balyeat
Lake Corpus Christi
South Texas
Vintage Gas Engine Sundries and Supplies

Steve Gray (Picture)

  Since my web site covers the antiques, I guess this will cover me in a
little more detail. My name's Steve Gray, I'm 45, never married (maybe
someday ;-) ), no siblings (only 1 living close relative), and recently
moved to the gold country of California (Kalifornia to some folk!).
Originally from Los Angeles County, my most recent move was to
Tuttletown (an old Mark Twain hangout), a tiny wide spot in the road a
few miles west of Sonora CA. The property is smaller than what I had in
the past, about 2 acres, but much better suited for my old iron needs
(fewer hills!). After serving 6 years in the Navy as a radar tech, I
worked in computer electronics as a machine language (microprocessor)
programmer, hardware designer/builder, and technical support person
(teacher) mainly for in-house testing and production for a little over
20 years. My last employment also entailed an R&D machinist's position
for about 4 years, which served to polish my machining abilities that I
acquired, mainly from my dad. I'm now self employed/semi retired.
  I was raised around my dad's machine shop, while he played with the
competition Model T stuff back in the 60's and early 70's. After losing
him in a traffic accident nearly 12 years ago, I inherited his shop and
eventually combined it with mine. I
had seen the old one lungers back in the late 60's and was fascinated
then, but didn't have the time or money to play back then. Once things
settled down in the family after the accident, I picked up my first
engine in late '91, a '33 Fairbanks Z style C. That grew into a group of
31 engines ranging from 1/2 to 10 HP, and several farm antiques in and
around the house. My engine preference seems to have settled with the
oil/diesel family.
  Currently, I'm finishing getting established at the new address with a
new shop building, and may be looking into a part-time job for a while.
Most of my past hobbies have centered around both the vintage and modern
automotive world, with a restoration or two under my belt. Home
restoration/remodeling has also occupied a lot of my time.

- Steve

Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 3
Sonora, California USA
Home page:

Steve Royster

Hi Folks, I suppose I'm late at my turn on intro's but our  club just hosted
the Arden/Asheville show last week and I'm just now caught up with things.  
   I'm Steve Royster living in Asheville, N.C. I am 50 years old, married
with 3 daughters and also have a brother Mike, who some of you met this year
at Portland. For the last 15 years I have built houses for a living although
I have worked as a mechanic at an auto dealership, driven a truck, worked in
glass, played a fiddle and fiddled around so far.   I was introduced to Hit
and Miss engines at the age of 10 by a friend  ten years older than me who
taught me along with my dad about knuckle busting and wrench throwing. He
would let me come over on weekends and crank one up but they were out of my
price range at the time. Over the years we played with saw mills,
Studebakers, Henry-J's, Willys', Jeepsters, and anything that made noise.
Finally one day I decided I was going to get old and never have a hit and
miss  if I didn't get serious about it. So I convinced my brother what a
great hobby  it was and  didn't he want to join me in some serious engine
searching, and the rest is  history. (He actually had one but needed my
encouragement to find more!)  Right now I have living with me  a couple of
Baker Monitors, A New Way, A Lorenz, a Bamford, a Gilson E ,Domestic,
Galloway, Tom thumb, Maynard, Bessemer and a Witte. Also  Pumps, Mills, and
lots of rusty things awaiting repair.       However, as much as I have
enjoyed these engines, I have enjoyed the people much much more! I have only
been on the list for a year now but this is the greatest group of people
I've ever met! Thanks to all of you that helped find an engine, fix a
problem, locate literature, and everything else. I hope to meet more of you
at the shows next year and hope I can help someone too. Thanks to all my
friends around the world.     Steve

Brock Summerfield

G,day every one

My name is Brock Summerfield i am 24 yr old i live in Canberra Australia
been into old engines  for about 15 years or so. i work for line marking
i do all there maintance on there machines my dad has been in to old engines
for about 20 years my other brother is into them to we would have about 90
engines all up & three tractors  iam also a member of the Canberra &
district historic engine club  i am the events director of our club we have
about 65 members
we are presently organising our next rally for march next year .what else
can i say
i have 5 brothers & one sister and a dog he is a ?,,  small and white he
gets me in to trouble some times he goes in to my shed some times and get
coved in oil black oil & white fur don,t mix some of the engines i have are
Blackstone, Capel ,
2 Newways ,F&M Z, Austral , Jelbart,Lister,Petter, Fuller &Johnson ,N,
to many to remember . That me
Brock summerfield

Curt Holland (Picture)



I'm Curt Holland, born and raised in Brevard, NC high in the mountains
of the western part of the state. I suspect I was a frustrating child for my
parents, being a prolific disassembler of household items such as
MixMasters, TV's, and lawnmowers. Lucky for my backside I was always
able to put them back together :-) I was also into water wheels, water rams,
methane digesters, and small engines.
College study was in mechanical engineering. Graduated in 1984. Met my
wife of 15 years at Clemson. She's a sparkie, or an electrical engineer.
She works in the controls and automation industry. I work in heavy industry
at a plant that melts and hot rolls copper shapes. The final product is copper
balls for the plating industry. We'll both be 40 next
summer and have worked in industry for 17 years each.
We have an 8 year old son, Devin who is in school at a private school
here in Gastonia, NC. At this age he is quite enthusiastic about the old
iron hobby. We'll see what happens in those teen years...
While a junior at Clemson a hometown friend called one Friday evening
and said pack your bags we are going to Stumptown, OH. I followed orders
and we drove all night to arrive at my first antique farm show on the
eastern side of Ohio. There were steam traction engines, hit and miss
engines, and farm equipment there. I was in heaven. For me the highlight
of the show was the traction engine "races". The one crossing the finish line last
was the winner.
For 15 years+ I played in the British car hobby, restoring MG's and
Jag's. I always remembered the Stumptown show but never pursued the
hobby. About 4 years ago I met the owner of a local machine shop. Went
to visit his business and realized he had hit and miss engines. Several months
later he found an engine for me and its been wide open since! Up to 8 engines now.
Most are the IHC or Hercules brand. In time I'd like to transition to some of the
more unusual engines. Missy and I attended the Portland show this fall and met
many of the folks we have been emailing with over the last year or so. Good folks
on this here list! Missy really enjoys the hobby and has built quite a shoe last
collection and also has a 1914 Hercules doctors buggy we are restoring.
Adios amigos :-)
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

David McDonald

Dear All

Here is my introduction.

Apple blossoms fall
landing on rusted iron forgotten,
Joys of restoration.

I received my BS in physics at Montana State University in Bozeman, Montana and 20 years later received a Master's there also.  I did some graduate work at the University of Wyoming in Astronomy and got my teaching degree there.  I have been teaching High School Physics, Chemistry and miscellaneous other courses here in Sidney, Montana for 17 years.

While at UofW in the early 1980's, I studied Aikido (a Japanese martial art) and started to collect Japanese Swords.  Since then I studied the art of wrapping a Japanese sword hilt and am now a "semipro" tsuka-maki-shi (hilt wrapper).

My wife of 26 years, Joy-Lyn, and I bought some land to build a house on and I started a garden.  It turned out that a half acre garden is hard to work with only a small rototiller, so I started looking for a small tractor.

My father-in-law was a company man for IHC for over 35 years so I really had only one color choice to make.  About 20 miles south of Sidney,  I saw a small Farmall sitting on the front lawn (turns out if was a Super A).  It just sat there.   First one tire went flat, and then another. The decals started to fade.  My wife and I talked to the owner a number of times but he was unwilling to sell.   Eventually, the owner passed away and there was an auction on a cold snowy October day.  Before the auction I was looking over the Super A, when a fellow (Dick Johnson) came over and started talking to me.  In a somewhat conspiratorial tone he informed me  "There was white under there".  I had no idea what would cause white to be under the tractor.  Another important note is that I had recently sold one of my Japanese swords, i.e. I had more money than knowledge.  Since I had tried to get that tractor for so long, when it finally came up for auction I raised my hand and did not put it do!
until I wore everyone else out, including Dick Johnson, and I had my tractor.

After the auction Dick Johnson talked to me some more.  It turns out that the Super A was a 1950 white demo model and had been painted red over the white.  I had a collector tractor and did not even know it.  After the auction Dick Johnson loaded up a Farmall B that he bought and then graciously loaded my Super A onto  his trailer and hauled it into town for me.  We have been friends and tractor buddies ever since.

My next tractor purchased in Texas was a Farmall 140.  I was a long way from Montana so I talked to my uncle who has a Chevy dealership outside of Tyler, Texas and bought a used tandem trailer for $300.  I needed new wood on the bed but it carried the Farmall 140, sulky plow, disk, planter, and cultivator home.

In 1995 I was in Denver and heard about a tractor show right in town.  I dragged.a   . took my wife along and we saw a number of stationary engines running.  Neat!   So I started looking for a IHC stationary engine.

The following summer I found a two day auction in Conrad MT only about 400 miles away and had to decide what to bid on.  I ended up with two 1.5 HP Type M McCormick-Deering Stationary engines. I thought one was a 3 HP.  I did know enough to bid on ones that were not stuck, so after some work cleaning and replacing the fuel pump I had the first one on a metal table and gave a tug on the flywheel.

THE THING START TO RUN!!.  Scared me half to death.  The governor was stuck open and that engine took off.  Here I am holding onto the trucks to keep the engine from falling three feet off of the table while trying to get spark plug wire disconnected. After an exciting few seconds or so I did get the engine stopped without damage.

My next milestone was something.  I took one of the M's to the tractor show outside of Billings and got some help in learning how to run the M but I realized I needed more help.  So I went to the Threshers show in Culbertson MT about 30 miles away. Since I seemed to be the youngest guy there, I talked to the president and ask who needed help with the stationary engines.  I just wanted to work with someone with knowledge so that I could learn.  Bob Bahls, the president of the club, introduced me to John Beck.  John was a young 86 (I think) at that time.  I helped move some engines and asked questions and asked what else I could do to help (good gopher syndrome).  I told him about wanting to learn more about stationary engines.

John looked up at me a "Do you want these engines?"  I thought that I had misunderstood so told him that I did like the engines and was hoping to learn more about them.  He said, "No, do you want these engines?"  Gasp! He had just given me his stationary engine collection!!  An Economy, Frost King, Peppi, IHC LA & LB, 3 Maytags, about 15 B&S and a Power Product.  It turns out that he was moving to western Montana with his son and wanted someone to enjoy his engines.

Of course, I am now a club member and slowly learning how to get the different engines running.  Also I have been setting up a display of engines at our show.  This year I had a corn sheller powered by a IHC LA, a  flour mill, a hand crank mill and a bone crusher.

The club membership is getting older and there is no set inventory for the association so the last few years I have been making a visual/photographic inventory of the tractors and engines.  It is a MS Word document with images inserted.

Through the years I have added to my personal collection.  I picked up a Farmall 100 in Sidney from the Billings, Montana area.  I acquired a Farmall 130 from outside Canton IL-Have tractor will travel for it seems to be my motto. And after traveling all to way to Illinois to pick up the 130 tractor, I also bought an AC G.  Well it was small/cute and it did fit on the trailer with the 130.  This last yearl I got a second 140 and then a white Cub and this summer a second white Cub.  So now have one white Super A and two white cub's - only missing a white C.

My projects are to get the white demo models painted for the39th Annual Northeast Montana Threshing Bee & Antique Show in Culbertson show this next 28th & 29th of September 2002.  The show will feature IHC tractors and engines.

If you are interested in a small show, and help is always needed and appreciated, see me the fourth weekend of September in Culbertson.

David McDonald                   Collector of Japanese Swords and Old Iron
WEB page -
Sidney MT                       

I do tsukamaki (wrapping of sword hilts)
Owner of White IH Cub & Super A Farmall, IH 100 & 130, 140, AC G
McD type M, Monitor, Frost King and other stationary engines.



Garrett Fulton

I'm Garrett Fulton and have been 99% lurking on the list since the old days.  I too remember the prolapsed cow uterus discussion and
even earlier than that.  (Fascinating stuff).  52 yrs. old and kind of
ashamed to contribute to the discussions as I've only got one, (!), antique
engine.  It's an old Friend pump/sprayer combination that sat in a pasture
in Va. for about 40 yrs.  Really in bad shape, but I've been able to get
almost all the ruined and missing parts from Mr. Dickinson up in NY state.
He is the source of all knowledge on these units and if anyone else needs
his address and ph. no. please let me know. Good fellow.
    Raised on a farm in So. Indiana and was constantly tearing some type of
engine apart as a boy.  My dad worked for the L&N railroad and would bring
me home all the badly worn out single cylinder engines that were used to
drive the pumps on piledrivers and such.  Would mill the heads on the belt
sander in wood shop at school and feed them naptha.  Had some outstanding
and aggressive explosive disassemblies occur.  Went in the Marines at 19,
spent a year in Vietnam and learned how to do Avionics work on aircraft.
Enjoyed it and went to school for the trade when I got out. Have been doing
that and aircraft mechanic work for 33 years  now.  Work the flight line for
USAirways in Charlotte, NC.   And had the honor and pleasure of working for
Mr. Dick Gibbens as a helicopter mechanic in the early '70s.  If you ever
see Dick at a show, ask him how he embarassed and humiliated me badly with a
wheel cover off his pickup truck the first night on the job in Morgan City,
    Got my eye on a 4 mule team Associated engine that's been sitting in a
barn under tons of old machinery for many years.  One of these deals where
everything was willed to the sons but nobody has determined who's got what.
I'm going to stay after them like a hair on a biscuit, though.  My Aunt in
Arkansas is letting me have my deceased Uncle's old Grist mill.  Massive
thing, with about 18" stones.  Will have to drive over next spring and bring
it back.  Hope to get that and the Associated together someday for a show
exhibit and grind corn.  Got a wife, Lucy, that I met while working in Saudi
Arabia in the late '70's. She's a nurse. Two boys.  One 18 and just started
at UNC-Chapel Hill.  Want's to be a doctor and please pray for me when the
bills for all that start coming due.  The youngest, 17, is bound and
determined to go in the Marines like his old man.  Worries me something
terrible, but I made him promise he wouldn't go in the infantry.  Will  take
my one measly old engine and sign off now.  Thanks for listening.



Bill Boyce


bill boyce here,,, from Lost Prairie, Arkanasas, very near the texas border,
near Texarkana...53 years old, married 25 years to a very tolerant and
pretty Becky,,46,, one son, Bryan, 15, <hes on the list as goatboy>< and is
just finishing up his Eagle Scout badge > 3 stock horses, one dog,,.and a
cat. We have a small place in the Red River bottoms and run a few head of
cattle. I got the engine bug about 15 years ago, restored and showed 3
engines for a couple or so years, then got busy with other things, but didnt
sell the engines, just pushed them farther back in the shop. Then early this
year, Bryan got interested in them, pulled them out, cleaned all the dirt
dabber nest from them, and , on his own, made all 3 run again,, that was it,
the bug bit him !! We've added several this year, our latest being a 15 hp
Reid hot tube,,, others include a 6 hp Herc, 2  small Hercs, a 1 1/2
Economy, Fairmont, IH LA, FM ZC , FM 118, FJ pumpjack and engine, Stover CT,
Cushman Cub, Bryans IH  6hpM  with the weird head thats been confusing the
list,, Fuller Johnson,open crank,, not sure of the model,,its bryans'
too,,,, and a number of Wisconsin single cylinders,, and just this week sold
a 60 hp FM to a list member. We made about 7 or 8 shows this year. I;ve been
on the list about 3 months or so, and have enjoyed all the bios, and all the
info one can obtain here.


Mike Royster

Hello all:
  I am Mike Royster and I live in Shelby, NC along with my wife Ann and my
12 year old son Paul.  I am 46 and have been collecting stuff all my life,
but I got my first engine, a 1-1/2 Novo S type over 20 years ago when I
traded a gas pump for it.  I am a 4th generation petroleum marketer running
the "family business".  We started off as Gulf, now we are BP, Exxon,
Chevron & Pure.  Things change!
  A couple of years ago I took my brother Steve and my father to Denton as I
had not been in some time.  Hot as Hades but we had a good time, and Steve
got infected with the worst case of iron oxide fever I ever saw!  Being a
highly infectious disease, I got a reoccurrence and now we both are "eat up"
with the engine bug.

  We were lucky growing up with a very mechanicly inclined dad, who really
could fix about anything.  I never saw him pay anybody to fix anything til
he got about 65 years old.  He taught us both how to do lots of stuff but I
also learned tons of stuff from my older brother Steve.  For instance, did
you know that when the wrench slips off the nut and you skin your knuckle,
the correct response is to cuss the wrench, then throw it as hard as you can
out in the cotton field?  Then, in some Zen like trance you walk out and
look for it while your knucle clots and the tension melts away.  What a

  Steve and I took our first trip to Portland this year and it defies
anything I ever saw or imagined.  Everybody was so nice and so much fun, we
had a ball.  I will never miss it from now on!

  Now I have about a dozen hit and miss engines and I can no longer walk in
the shop.  My overalls permanently smell like oil and smoke and my "normal"
friends don't understand the attraction, but they all want to hear them run!
I have met many of you guys in person and I appreciate the advise and
assistance that you have shared, along with the friendships.  What a
wonderful hobby.  Is life good or what?

  On a parting note I'll share the story that and old mechanic friend told
me when I was little and evidently affected me deeper that I thought.  A
blacksmith was busy working at the forge whaen an old farmer came up carring
a busted wooden wagon wheel.  "Can ya fix it?" he asked the blacksmith.   The
blacksmith studied the remains of the wheel and replied " Yes, I believe I
can."  The farmer loaded up the wheel and started walking out of town, to
which the blacksmith hollered, "I said I can fix it."  The farmer kept on
walking and hollered back, "Well if you can fix it, I can fix it."

See ya,

  Rick Strobel

  Greetings from "The Big Sky"

I'm Rick Strobel, 56, native Washingtonian, and transplant to Helena,
Montana.  We have our little chunk of the world out in the hills.  Married
to Kathy around 20 yrs. Her being a construction brat, it was not hard for
me to get into this.  My father twisted wrenches all his life, from cars to
logging trucks.  How I hated him telling me to clean those heads, or valves,
and "DON'T TAKE TOO MUCH OFF," with that ring groove cleaner.

    Raised on the reservation farm during the summer months, my uncle, who
was quarter Nez Peirce, had many old engines laying around for me to play
with. I'd give almost anything to have his dragsaw.

    I've twisted wrenches, chased sparks, and eventually worked on Vietnam
era Gunships.  My whole career was full-time Army National Guard i.e. Nike
Hercules Missiles and Bell Helicopters, of which I've been retired from for
6 years.  Not too many have heard of this work, but you can be a week-end
warrior, and work 40 hrs. a week for them as a Civil Servant.  When they
offered an early out, well..where do I sign? 32 yrs. was enuf.  I now
contract to the state and work on their fire fighting helicopters.

    Am the very proud owner of a 2 1/4 Galloway, a LA, LB, Novo, LeRoi, one
buried in the shed (?), and my pride and joy, A very nice "5hp Galloway, Saw
Rig."  also have a 1954 8 ton (wet) roller and a 1957 Cadillac hearse.  The
small Galloway is about ready to roll.  This is the one with the cracked
hubs, that you've seen.  Think I'll do the LA next, but darn it, the saw rig
has good compression and spark. I've got to hear that baby run!!  Then I'll
do the LA.

    I was the one who almost started the international incident on detergent
vs. non-detergent oil..the LA has been running detergent for about 3 tanks
worth and has sure loosened up.  This was to be expected.

    My goal is to document how the old iron was used in the production of
gold in Montana.  A website should be forthcoming.

    I came into ATIS just before the "Cow Magnet" I'm still a

    Many thanks to all of you for your kindness and information!  I'd like
to meet each and every one of you.  And my very deep, sincere thanks to
those who made this website possible.  I haven't watched TV in months.

Rick Strobel
"My Montana Gold"

Father of 4, Grandfather of 8

    ps. Get a hold of me/us if ya ever come to "The Big Sky".   I can lead ya
to some very interesting places,  and we do have our share of threshing bees
and stationaries.



Brian Watts

Hi All,
A bit late at this but here goes,
My name is Brian Watts ,got married in 1962 ,lived on 2 acres about 25 miles  from Melbourne,
I bought an old engine in 1963 to run a firewood bench,sold the land and engine in 1969 &  moved  to the city,
worked in a quarry driving face shovel,for  a few years driving back hoes,
a couple years on the westgate bridge earthworks,
In 1973 bought a taxi (like driving and seeing the meter turn)
after bad crash in 96. decided to retire.
Went to a clearing sale to pass time,, you can guess what happened,my son and I bought an engine.
now about 41 engines 1 -1939 B model  Allis Chalmers, 1925 chev.truck we have our garages just about full.
Engines include,Lister, Fairbanks Morse,Mc.Donald,Petter,Hercules,Lister Auto Truck,Stover,Inter`s,Blackstone 1909, Clutterbuck, sundials , Tangye
1899 and the rest I can`t remember.
Now the best bit follows and the reason this message is so long,
I have allways spoken to my son David about the old engine I owned 38 years  ago,

Last Thursday 01-11-01 I finally located the eng. in a privatecollectionand after telling the owner the story he agreed to return it to me.
so this morning after much effort and breaking winches we now have My
first engine in his shed.
It is a great feeling to have No.1 after so long.
it is still in perfect condition as i sold it.
Can anyone help with it`s age
Lister (petrol)
Model N   6H.P. @ 350 RPM.
Bosch flick mag. Model 22.?
Engine No. 12591.
I enjoy this list and all the storys from all the members


Kerry Morris


G'Day All
Well I finally got to this when every one has finished
I am Kerry Morris 52, born and raised in Lithgow situated in the Blue
Mountains of NSW  Oz, My wife Ruth has put up with me now for 30 years, we
have a son, two daughters and a grandson.
I completed an electrical apprenticeship at a local coal mine before
becoming Electrical Engineer In-Charge in 1980 I continued in this role till
3 years ago when I was appointed Systems Development Co-ordinator ? now 36
years at the same place.
I bought a model train set for my son when he was 5, one of us got hocked
and it was not him. In 1988 the English steam train Flying Scotsman was
touring NSW, I followed it to Newcastle where I saw Stationary engines for
the first time, Reg Ingold's club had set up a display and I was that
impressed I told Ruth there and then, looks like trains are finished with, I
have to get into this hobby. That was the start of my interest in engines.
My first few engines were common Australian built types but I enjoyed all
the activities
The search for an engine
The obtaining of Parts and info
The strip down
The rebuild
The painting
The display at a rally
The talking to new found engine friends
I have been very lucky to obtain some engines that I really wanted but found
the above list is still the same no matter what the engine is.
The above list has totally changed my (and my family) lives as engines
consume much of my free time, then there is the LIST of which I think I have
been on for over 3 years, this has totally expanded my hobby as it is now
international, where on any day I can ask a question and receive an answer
and pictures from many countries of the world.
Ruth and I had the Trip of a Life Time this year when we crossed America
from one side to the other and took in parts of Canada, this trip was the
greatest thing we have ever done and it success was totally because of many
LIST members that went out of their way to help us.
On a closing note I was told by an old electrician when I was first a
tradesman "you have to retire to not retire from" I have always remembered
that and I could not think of anything better than retiring to engines, the
computer and List and meeting new and old engine people.
Thank you all for making this a great hobby

Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW Oz
Friends in Engines

marv hedberg

marv hedberg (marv in minn) rush city, (east central)minn. usa

age 57, married 33 yrs, working mold maker(sure cuts into my hobby time),
7 acre hobby(no income) farm, 11 sheep, 2 miniature donkeys(alarm clocks)

i grew up on a dairy farm with work horses, threshing machines, wood heat
and an outhouse.
i was drawn into the old iron hobby by getting the 6hp IHC M saw rig i
remember sawing stove wood in the 1950s.

hobbies: engine restoring, model engine building, garden size crawlers,
toy grey and red ford tractors, haying for the critters(summer),
blowing snow(winter)

current projects: kansas city hay press lightning 1/4 scale model engine, 4
hp mogul portable engine,
english ransomes MG40 crawler with dumper conversion, Cletrac F.

i thank all of you for the education and entertainment here. :-)))))

Larry Brandon

I am Larry Brandon and I am 58 years old.  I was
the 8th child of 13 and the last boy of 5.  There
were only two kinds of kids in my family... the
quick ones and the hungry ones!  That still hangs
on to me after 50 years!
I remember the farm but did not get to do much
work since my folks had it all in the "soil bank"
by the time I was old enough to do the work.
I always had a "knack" for mechanical things and,
of course, took all the vocational courses in high
school.  However, I seemed to constantly use
things mechanical to get into trouble... like
motorscooters, motorcycles, and cars.

After attending GM Training in 1965, I worked on
Oldsmobiles in Los Angeles.  Returned to my native
Illinois in '67 for a couple years in a Chevolet /
Oldsmobile dealership.  Bought my own general
repair shop in a small (200 people)  farming
community and ran it for about 5 years.  And boy
did I have to get educated there since there was
no one else to ask.  I worked on anything they
could get in the door and a few they could not.
From cornpickers, combines, corn-shellers, trucks,
tractors, gas, diesel, LP, and even ice machines.

I also worked as a mechanic on road construction
for a couple years before I drove truck (pickups
thru 18 wheelers) on local
construction for about 10 years.  Saw some
interesting projects built.   The most interesting
was probably the nuke station at Byron, Illinois.
Got to see an 18 ton "picker" on its side as well
as a 200 ton Manitowok crane.  Fortunately, for
me, I managed to keep myself alive and didn't kill
anyone else either.

After buying an Apple II+ computer in 1982, I
ended up owning the store where I purchased it and
began my retail life for about 10 years.  Ended up
selling high end stereos, tv's, and VCR's.  That
lead me back to school where I attended DeVry
Institute of Technology and got a BSEET.  Then
spent 6 years working in the engineeering
department of a resistor manufacturer (Ohmite).
Was a Development Engineer for about 3 years and a
Manufacturing Engineer the other 3. 

My wife (I can't remember which one this is...
either # 4 or # 5) and I bought an embroidery shop
about 6 years ago and I have been in it full time
for 4 years now.

The end result is that I have little except the
desire for old and rusty things.  Very little
money and way less time.  However, I find the pop
pop or thump thump of old engines a welcome
tranquilizer from the rest of my hectic and stress
filled life.  Even my wife gets excited when one
pops or runs (and she cares nothing for rusty

My wife, Linda (of 7 years this Nov 11th), who I
will never get rid of or
trade (unless maybe for a really valuable
engine),  and I like to attend the various engine
shows for about 2 years now. This is after having
an "...out of body experience" at a "threshing
bee" in Sturgis, South Dakota about 3 years ago.
I loved the old equipment and she loves the flea
markets and the friendly people too.

I don't remember how I found the SEL but have
seldom regretted subsribing to it.  The knowledge
base here keeps me humble (and usually quiet, as I
was always a better listener than a talker).  I do
regret that I must stay on "digest" mode, but the
sheer volume of messages would fill my drive and
prevent any real work (earning money) from being

Linda and I would greatly like to "retire" but it
seems we are both too busy building our
 She has an Employment Agency that specializes in
"live-in caregivers" as an alternative to nursing
homes and hospitals.  She also is a full time
Environmental Protection Engineer with the
Illinois EPA.
Well, hopefully another year or two and I can have
own couple acres in Illinois, Indiana, Missouri,
anywhere cheap!

I must add my 0.74 Baht's worth here.  The
thing I enjoy most on the list is not the things
pure, mechanical, old, and stationary, but the
banter, atmosphere, good nature chiding, and
occasional quarrels! These introductions have been
 my favorite for a number of days now!

Sorry for taking so much bandwidth...

Larry Brandon
Downers Grove, IL

6HP Inter M
850 W Delco
2 HP Cushman
Several (forgive me Dave) Maytags
Everything needs work!


Bill Miller



Hi I am Bill. Miller,

I am 73 years old and married to my wonderful wife Roberta for 51 years, have
two children and four grandchildren. I have always been interested in
anything mechanical. I went into the refrigeration air cond. and heating
field in 1947 working on an assembly line in a Refrigeration Compressor plant
and these compressors used Ford rods and inserts (rod bearings) then I went
to work in a Refrigeration Wholesale parts CO. in the shipping department and
moved on up to traveling salesman and ended up running one of the stores for
many years.

From 1973 until 1982 another fellow and I had our own Ref. A/C and heating
business but I have now retired and enjoy piddling in my shop and wood shop.

In 1995 I saw an add in the paper for a shop anvil so I went to look at it
and it was already sold but the fellow kicked an old engine in the corner and
said I will sell you this old antique engine (It was a F-M Z 3 HP.) so I
ended up buying it and as they say the rest is history.

About three years ago I was at the SIAM show in Evansville IN. and met Dave
Rotigel and he invited me to get on the SEL so as quick as I got home Sun.
night I did just that and I cannot believe the info. I have acquired from the
LIST and the wonderful friends I have made, some that I have not even met
face to face yet.

I have been in the hospital four times in the last two years and have not
been able to go to Portland but I sure hope I can go next year. Ending I will
say I would be lost without the LIST.

An OLE engine Buddy,


Bill Miller
Memphis, TN.




Joe Prindle

I am Joe Prindle and I live in Wisconsin Rapids, WI, right about in the middle of the state, on
the banks of the lovely brown Wisconsin River. I work in a paper mill and my job is to make
Kilowatts outta BTU's. I am 33 years old and have been collecting since I was 12 years old. I grew
up on a farm where we used a lot of old machinery mainly because it was cheap and so were we. I am
a home shop machinist and may not always do the prettiest or quickest work, but it usually lasts.
I like to do the home machine shop bit but have not had much time the last year or two. I also
like to do a little brass and aluminum casting in the winter with some friends. I am really
fortunate to have friends who are much better machinists than I am, they either inspire me and
give me encouragement..... or they bail me out when I am in over my head!
I belong to the Badger Steam and Gas Engine Club, near Baraboo, WI. It is a nice group of guys
(for the most part) and I am pretty lucky to belong to the club, never had so many good friends as
I have made through the club. I collected cars for a bit and the car folks were just not the same
as engine folks. Lately I have become obsessed with stationary steam engines and am currently
restoring a Corliss engine that I and a friend own together. I guess the things that got me
interested in steam were that our club has never been real strong on steam, I work with it for a
living, and not everyone is collecting stationary steam engines. It is nice to do something a
little different from what the rest of the crowd is doing. Fear not, rustafarians, I have not gone
over to the dark side, gas engines came first and will always be first, I see the steam thing more
as an expansion than as a change of venue.
I am a bit of an athlete, having done well in last year's peddle pull at our show: and am
currently in training for this year's event, bulking up. I am anchor man on our Olympic
Teeter-Totter team, our team has only been beaten twice, once by the Bulgarian Women's Team and
once by our own Ladies Auxilliary. I once killed a six pack just to watch it die. I know more
dirty words than just about anyone you are ever going to meet, and I know how to use them, too. I
am a walking talking success story because I beat Anorexia, and beat it good. Yes sirree, when
they made me, the broke the mold........ and beat the crap outta the mold maker!
How 'bout it, lets hear something about some of you folks!

Joe Prindle
Central Wisconsin, USA
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Mark & Leeanne Pavy

 Ok , seeing as I am new too I will have a go at an introduction.
I am Mark Pavy and live in Queenstown South Australia which is a suburb of
Adelaide. It is close to one of Adelaide's industrial areas which is great
as all the scrap yards are nearby.I am 31 years old,have a wife and one
child, a little girl and seeing as we are not having anymore kids she will
be taught to arc weld etc like my father taught me.I did an apprenticeship
as a  mechanic but worked mainly on automatic transmissions from 2nd year
on.Five years ago I changed jobs and now work for Australia Post as the
leading hand of the vehicle repair section South Australia/Northern
Territory.We have a fleet of 80 vans,25 trucks and managers cars to look
after as well as 3 B double semi's a day to maintain.The best job I've ever
had.        I don't know why but I love engines and find them fascinating
things. I remember as a young fellow watching stationary engines run at our
royal show and thought they were great and could always remember an engine
at my uncle's shack on the River Murray which was lying against a tree which
is a good thing as the tree was stopping it going into the river.Dad
remembered this engine running and when it blew a hole in the piston and
also my uncle using the cylinder head as a boat anchor.This was my first
engine an Imperial Super Diesel of 1926 and I now have it restored. When I
was recovering it the owner who gave it to me asked me if I had seen any
tigers near it and it didn't twig for a while that he mean't snakes.
I have never paid a lot for my engines for the good reason that I can't with
a house and family to look after but I have over time put together a
selection of odd and rare engines. My favourite is a YB Southern Cross
diesel which is a common engine but mine has a factory fitted oil bath air
filter which screws to the top of the rocker cover and the Register told me
they are very rare so it is possible to have a common rare engine. I try to
do all my own work as I get a great deal of satisfaction from making
something run again. I am trying to learn a bit about electricity from dad
before he is gone and it's too late then.
Most of my engines run generators/alternators as it seems people steer away
from electricity.
I like looking and corresponding over the list as it opens up a whole new
lot of people to swap ideas etc with which I find great.
Thanks very much